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Arkansas Week April 18, 2014

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(Senate '14) The challenger demands satisfaction, not one duel but several. (1Q Dollars) The political money, in the Senate race and the others. (Overdues) Will, or when will, the judicial question reach the Justices, and which Justices? (Blind?) But first, how apolitical can justice in Arkansas be?

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HELLO AGAIN EVERYONE. THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR "ARKANSAS WEEK". THE ARKANSAS JUDICIARY MUCH IN THE NEWS OF LATE, NOT NECESSARILY IN A WAY THE ARKANSAS JUDICIARY WOULD LIKE. IN ONE VENUE AN OFFICIAL INQUIRY AND STATE WIDE THE MATTER OF SITTING JUDGES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN LATE IN PAYING THEIR BA DUES BUT IT'S THE CONTINUED POLITICIZATION OF THE NSAS JUDICIARY THAT CONCERNS OUR GUEST. JUDGE DAVID STEWART RETIRED OM PULASKI COUNTY AND NOW SITS IN FAYETTEVILLE AS APPOINTMENT FOR A SPECIAL TERM FOR ONE OF THE EXPIRED TERMS OF ONE OF YOUR PREDECESSORS. GOOD TO YOU HAVE. GOOD TO BE HERE. YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE JUDICIARY THAT IS TAID TO A NEW LEVEL BY MONEY, PARTISAN AFFILIATION, ET CETERA.

YEAH.

IS THIS A REAL DANGER?

WELL, I CONSIDER IT A REAL DANGE I AM NOT SAYING THE SKY IS FALLING BUT THE POTENTIAL THERE. WHEN CITIZENS UNITED WAS PASSED I HAD A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE WITH THE JUDICIARY. YOU KNOW THAT CASE LUMPED ALL ELECTIONS TOGET INCLUDING THE JUDICIARY, AND WHEN YOU BROADEN THE AVAILABILITY OF MONEY AND POLITICIZATION OF JUDICIAL ELECTIONS IT BEGAN TO CONCERN ME BECAUSE I FELT SOONER OR LATER ARKANSAS WOULD FEEL THE IMPACT OF THAT, AND UNATELY SOONER THAN LATER IT'PPENED.

WITH THE AMENDMENT THE BE PARTISAN BASIS.

TRUE.

THERE WAS ALWAYS AN ELEMENT YOUR HONOR OF POST 80 WHO IS KIDDING WHO? THE BACKGROUNDS OF MOST JUDICIAL CANDIDATES WERE KNOWN. THE BAR OR THE BUNCH COMES FROM THE BAR AND THE ATTORNEYS AMONG THE MOST POLITICALLY ACTIVE SECT ARKANSAS. YEAH YOU CAN'T RID OF THE CKTHA CANDIDATD THAT IS SIMPLY PART OF THE CONCERNED T YOU CAN ABOUT APPEARANCES ONCE YOU REACH THE BENCH OR YOU'RE TRYING TO REACH THE BENCH AND THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME. WE SEATED -- SINCE BEGAN THE IDEA THAT MONPOWER AN THE LEGISLATIVE AND EXECUTIVE SIDE, BUT IN THIS COUNTRY THE JUDICIAL SIDE SHOULD NEVER BE CONSIDERED TO BE WHAT I REFER TO AS THE ORDINARY STREET POLITICIAN AND THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE. APPEARANCES ACCORDING TO ME AND TO THE CODE OF JUDICIAL CONDUCT HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF BEARING ON HOW THE PEOPLE PERCEIVE THEY'RE TREATED IN THE COURTROOM AND IF YOU TIE POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS AND/OR POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY TO YOUR CANDIDACY THEN YOU LOCKED YOURSELF INTO BEING PARTISAN WHEN YOU GET TO THE BENCH OR AT POLITICAL ANT'S WHAT WE NEED TO AVOID. > WE ELECT JUDGES IN ARKANSAS. WECT JUDGES. CAMPAIGNS REQUIRE MONEY.

TRUE. TO GET AROUND THAT?

WELL, THEE TRIED IN A KIND OF FEEBLE WAY IN THE JUDGE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AWARE OF THOSE THAT DO CONTRIBUTE. IT'S FORM OVER SUBSTANCE IN MY OPINION. I HAVE BEEN ELECTED THREE TIMES AND I REALIZ THAT'S NOT REALITY. WHEN WE ALSO STAND FOR ELECTION AS A NON PARTISAN WHEN YOU'RE ADVOCATING CERTAIN POLICY DECISIONS AS A JUDICIAL CANDIDATE YOU HAVE DESTROYED THAT. UNFORTUNATELY THE PREME COURT HAS THROWN THIS SITUA WHERE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO TH TH TO BEGIN WITH. WOULD LIKE TO SEE US BACK UP ON WHAT WE'RE PERMITTING JUDGES OR CANDIDATES TO DO BUT IT'S GOING LONG TIME N

TO WHAT EXTENT JUDGE DO YOU THINK IF AT ALL THE RISE OF THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM IN ARKANSAS MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO A TREND TOWARD THESE JUDICIAL CONTESTS THAT COULD, AND CERTAINLY IN OTHER STATES, REALLY APPROACHED A CARNAL -- NOT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BUT CREATED A POLITICAL TENSION THAT WE DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE BEFORE.

IN TERMS OF THE JUDICIARY IT'S MY OPINION IT'S COME FROM THE TOP DOWN. FOR INSTANCE YOU SEE IG U.S. SENATE FOR JUDICIAL NOMINEES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL WHERE THEY HAVE NO ELECTIONS. AT THAT POINT WE HAVE SEEN HOW THAT'S BEEN POLITICIZED AND ING ABOUT POSITIONS AND THINGS IN THE PAST AND CARRY THAT FOR ANDCOME ACCEPTABLE IF YOU WILL TO EITHER IN THE THE E COURT HAS OPENED UP  PRO TO CANDIDATES CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, EVEN THOUGH THEY CAN'T TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC CASES AND WHAT YOU HAVE DONE THEN IS REDUCE THE WHOLE PROCESS OF ELECTING JUDGES ACCEPTABLE TO DISCUSS YOUR POLITICAL LEANINGS IF YOU WILL. I MEAN THERE'S A CIRCUIT COURT RACE RIGHT HERE IN CONWAY WHERE A DI OF LOCTES THEMSELVES AS A CONSE POLITICAL POSITION AND YOU HAVE APPEARANCE THAT YOU ARE ITICALLY MOTIVATED AND YOU WILL BE WHEN YOU'RE ON THE BENCH. THAT'S NOT LET ME YOU A HYPOTHETICAL. I AM RUNNING FOR GISLATURE AND I COME YOU AS A CONSTITUENT AND I SAY "LOOK I AM A CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE OR A LIBERAL CANTE OR WHATEVER IT MAYBE AND WENK ALIKE. I WANT YOUR VOTE, SUPPORT, AND MONEY AND YOU GIVE ME A COUPLE GRAND AND YOUR WIFE AND YOUR CONTRIBUTE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I HAVE I POT OF MONEY FROM YOU. I AM LECTED. I GO TO LITTLE ROCK. YOU COME DOWN WITH A DRAFT OF LEGISLATION AND SAY I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS. SURE STEVE. WOULD BE HAPPY TO. NOW, FLIP THE COIN. I AM RUNNING FOR A JUDICIAL RACE. THAT MONEY COMES FROU AS A JUDICIAL CANDIDATE. I ELECTED. YOU BECOME A PARTY. DO YOU WANT MEING INDEPENDENT WHEN YOU COME IN FRONT OF ME OR DO YOU WANT ME TO FAVOR YOU? WELL, IF I ON THE OTHER SIDE I WOULD SAY RECUSE.

TRUE. BUT THAT'S THE TRICK BAG YOU GET INTO.

IS THERE ANYWAY -- ABER OF STATES HAVE ADOPTESYSTEM WHICH JUDGES ARE APPOINTED BY THE EXECUTIVE SUBJECT TO RECONFIRMATION PERHAPS AT THE POLLS. ARE WE ANYWHERE NEW THAT ? IS ITASIBLE?

I THINK IT'S FEASIBLE BUT THE ONLY SOLUTION IS TO ULTIMATELY CARVE OUT THE PROCESS OF VIEWING TOU YOE GOT TO APPROACH A IT FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT APPEARANCES DO MATTER, AND WHEN YOU'RE TAKING MONEY FOR A CAMPAIGN OR YOU'RE LOCKING YOURSELF HE BENCH YOU HAVE CREATED THE APPEARANCE THAT YOU CANNOT BE INDEPENDENT, AND SO OUR SUPREME COURT, THE U.S. SUPREME COURT SHOULD BE ABLE TO ARRIVE AT A DECISION THAT TO FAVOR POLITICAL POSITIONS WHEN WE'RE VOTING FOR A LEGISLATOR OR EXECUTIVE BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHEN YOU'RE A JUDGE. TO ME WHEN A JUDGE ARE NOT BEING INDEPENDENT TT THE WHOLE SYSTEM BEGINS TO BREAK DOWN. JUDGES ARE THE ULTIMATE CHECKS AND BALANCE FOR THE SYSTEM. IF THAT SYSTEM BREAKS DOWN THEN TO ME ULTIMATELY IN THE LONG U I KNOW ANAVE SEEN COMMERCIALS FOR JUDICIAL CANDIDATES AND OTHER POLITICAL STATE ADVERTISING IN THE STATE THAT IS AS COARSE OR CARNAL AS PART YOU TO TELL ARKANSAS GET READY IT'S COMING.

IT'S COMING. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT MOST JUDICIAL CANDIDATES ARE BROOF THE FRAY SO TO SPEAK BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN A COMPEON OE THAT ARE NOT ONLY PROFESSIONAL OPPONENTS FOR A POSITION IT BECOMES PERSONAL AND THEN YOU SAY AND DO THINGS THAT ARE NOT TO ME ACCEPTABLECAUSE WHEN GROUND WORK FOR BEING OU HAVE SOMEONE WHO REALLY ISN'T FIT TO BE ON THE BENCH.

JUDGE DAVID STEWART THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING OUR GUEST.

THANK YOU.

AND WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH OUR PANEL.

AND BACK WE ARE AND PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF IN THE MATTER OF THE JUDICIARY. HOYT PURVIS JOINS US FROM THE JOURNALISM ME ARKANSAS JACOB KAUFFMAN FROM KUAR IN CENTRAL ARKANSAS AND RICK FAHR AN INDEPENDENT JOURNALIST BASED IN CONWAY AND THANKS FOR COMING IN. THE LAST HAD THE SUPREME COURT DECLINING TO HEAR AT LEAST ONE OF THE THREE CASES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN.

RIGHT. TO SET IT UP FOR ALL OF THE VIEWERS IN ORDER TO HOLD OR SEEKFFE UIRED BY STATE LAW T LICENSED ATTORNEY FOR A DEFINED PERIOD OF TIME DEPENDING ON THE OFFICE AND WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE A LARGE NUMBER OF SITTING JUSTICES HAVE AT S LETHE ANNUAL DUES AND DOES IT CONSTITUTE A LAPSE IN LICENSURE AND WE HAD ONE JUDGE SAY THIS WEEK NO IT DOESN'T AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH DUE PROCESS TO LOSE THE AND WE HAD ANOTHER DECISION IT DOESN'T EQUATE TO LOSING THE LICENSE YOU COULDN'T HOLD OR SEEK OFFICE AND EVEN THE SUPREME COURT HAS DECLINED TO DO SO WE HAVE RENEWED REQUESTS. I NERAL OFFICE SAID THEY WOULD LIKE THE SUPREME COURT TO HANDLE THE ISSUE.

THIS WAS AN ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE THAT WAS ITSELF -- DIDN'T PAY THE DUEOS TIME.

RIGHT. AND THE SUPREME COURT ITSELF I BILITY -- ALL OF THE JUSTICES -- POINT OR ANOTHER.

AND FAILED TO PAY THEIR DUES ON TIME.

HOYT.

THIS IS AN ISSUE PACKED WITH PARADOX YOU MIGHT SAY BECAUSE WE LOOK TO THE LEGAL PROFESSION AND MAKE SURE THAT SOCIETY ADHERES TO THE RULES AND TO THE LAW, AND YET WE SEE THIS SITUATION, WHICH ON THE ONE HAND APPEARS TO BE SORT OF A TECHNICALITY, BUT NONETHELESS TECHNICALITIET

IT WOULD APPEAR AT ONE POINT A SUPREME COURT OR A SUPREME COURT WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A CASE TO RESOLVE THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ELECTION COMING UP.

YEAH.

AND OF COURSE THEY COULD CHOOSE NOT IT TO AND LEAVE THE WHOLE THIMBO.

YOU WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD MAKE THE WAY TO THE STATE STATE SUPREME COURT BUT YESTERDAY THEY DECLINED TO TAKE ON A PETITION FROM HG N ADDRESS THIS KIND OF IN AN ENCOMPASSING MANNER AND MAYBE THE TIME ISN'T RIGHT YET BUT TO HOYT'S POINT IT IS INTERESTING THAT THE JUDICIARY AND THE JUDGES THAT THESE CASES HAVE COME BEFORE TO THIS POINT HAVE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TACKS IN INTERPRETING THE LAW. JUDGE GRIFFIN TRIED TO INTERPRET THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW RATHER THAN THE LETTER ES A LITTLE BIT LATE AND HAVING YOUR LICENSE SUSPENDED WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE SUSPENSION NOT A MISCONDUCT SUSPENSION AND THEREFORE IT SHOULDN'T BE DISQUALIFY YOU TO RUN FOR OFFICE. NOW WHETHER THE CO SPIRIT OF THE LAW RATH LETTER OF THE LAW LOOK THAT DOES REMAIN TO BE SEEN BUT WE WOULD THINK THAT YOU THINK AT SOME POINT AND HOPEFULLY SOON SAUDGESHIP RACES ARE IN LIMBO UNTIL THEN.

WE HAVE A SENATE RACE SPEAKING OF POLITICAL MONEY AND WE HAVE FUNDRAISING REPORTS IN.

WELL, MONEY AND IT KEEPS ROLLING AND RAISED AND PARTICULARLY FOR THE SENATE RACE AND EVERYONE KNOWS IS GETTING NATIONAL ATTENTION. IN THE MOST RECENT QUARTER MONEY RAISED. I THINK $1.35 MILLION IN THE QUARTER. SENATOR WAS AR BEHIND AND PRYOR SEEMED TO RAISE MORE THAN COTTON BUT THE BOTTOM LINE AS WE KNOW THERE IS GOING TO BE UNLIMITED MONEY FLOWING INTO THIS CAMPAIGN AN APPEARS AS CLOSE AS IT IS, MORE COMPETITIVE IT IS AND MORE THAN MANY ANTICIPATED NOT LONG AGO AND ESPECIALLY THE NATIONAL LAWNDETS THAT WERE READY TO SEEMS -- SHALL WE SAY MUCH LESS UNCONCERN AT THIS POINT.

WE'RE ALL WRITING ABOUT POLL RESULTS THAT SHOW THAT IT MAY NOT BE THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT IN ARKANSAS HAD HOPED FOR.

RIGHT AND HOYT AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE SHOW AND JUST A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN BLANCH LINCOLN WAS UP FOR REELECTION IT SEEMED IN THE N GENERAELECTION AT LEAST THAT SHE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF A CHANCE AT ALL. IT DOES NOT FEEL THAT WAY WITH PRYOR AND SOME OF THE POLLING SEEMS TO BEAR THAT OUT. OFTENTIMES THE NUMBERS ARE WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR, HT, ALL OF THEM.

THERE WAS ONE OUTLIER POLL THAT SHOWED PRYOR UP BY TEN BUT CLOSE, BUT THERE IS ANOTHER THAT MAY WELL BEAR ON THE RACE AND DOESN'T HAVE EITHER NAME ON IT AND THAT IS THE APPROVAL RATINGF PRESIDENT OBAMA IN ARKANSAS AND AT THIS MOMENT IT'S THAT 31% IN ARKANSAS AND MBER COULD DRAG SENATOR PRYOR DOWN. IT REMAINS TO SEE HOW MUCH OF A ROLE THAT WILL PLAY BUT SENATOR PRYOR HAS TO FEEL FAIRLY GOOD ABOUT THE CHANCES NOW.

YEAH.

SOME OF THE OTHER RACES AND LOOK AT THE SECOND AND FOURTH CONGRESSIONAL THOSE ARE HEAVILY REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A CLEAR ADVANTAGAGE FOR SOME CANDIDATES WITH FUNDRAISERRING AND THERE ARE FUN RAISED IN THESE DISTRICTS.

AND THEY HAD TO GET A LATE START AND THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ENGAGED IN FUNDRAISING BUT THE FUND FUND POINT IS YOU'RE RIGHT WITH HILL AND MALL IF YOU RAISED IF THOSE CONGRESSIONAL RAISES IT APPEARS THEY HAVE A DEFINITE ADVANTAGE.

DIRECT EXPENDITURES WILL PAIL AGAINST INDEPENDENT.

RIGHT.

MOPROPOSAL THIS WEEK OM MR. COTTON THAT THE DIALOGUE AS IT WERE IN THE SENATE RACE BE EXPANDED FAR BEYOND WHAT ARKANSAS VOTERS HAVE COME TO CONNECT IN TERMS DEBATES AND MR. COTTON PROPOSED FIVE AND TO THE OTHER DEBATES THAT THEY AGREE TO.

ONE IT SAYS JUST TO AFFIRM WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER THAT NORMALLY IF SOMEONE IS COBLY AHEAD THEY'RE WANT GOING TO PROPOSE A SERIES OF DEBATHAT'S NOT THE NORMAL PRACTICE SO IT SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT MR. COTTON RECOGNIZES THIS IS A TIGHT RACE. NOW WHAT S PROPOSING WOULD BE QUITE EXTRAORDINARY REALLY IF IT HAPPENED BECAUSE HE SUGGESTED FIVE SORT OF OPEN ENDED FREE FORM DEBATES THAT WOULD GO ON FOR IDERABLE LENGTH OF TIME. HE I THINK REFERRED TO THE LINCOLN DOUGLAS DEBATES -- I AM NOT SURE THAT'S THE FORMAT HE HAD IN MIND BUT CLEARLY THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEBATES AND EXACTLY WHAT FORM THEY MIGHT TAKE THAT OBVIOUSLY IS THE SUBJECT OF I SUSPECT CONSIDERABLE NEGOTIATION.

WE SHOULD NOTE ALSO THE MONEY RAISED IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

WELL AND THE GOVERNOR'S RACE MIKE ROSS CONTINUES TO BE APPARENTLY A PRETTY EFFECTIVE FUNDRAISER ALTHOUGH IN THE PREVIOUS TWO MONTHS ASA TCHINSON ACTUALLY RAISED MORE I THINK DURING THE MONTH OF MARCH WHICH IS THE MOST RECENT REPORTING PERIOD. MIKE ROSS RAISED I THINK $220,000 AND MR. HUTCHINSON GOT ABOUT $200,000 BUT THEY BOTH BUILT UP CONSIDERABLE WAR CHEST AT THIS POINT.

POSSIBLY THE SENATE RACE IS SUCKING THE MONEY IN STATE FROM THE TWO GENTLEMEN.

AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE COMPETITIVE CONGRESSIONAL RACES I THINK AS WASNTIONED A MINUTE AGO AND CONSIDERABLE MONEY GOING INTO THOSE AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT IN THE COURTS VOTER ID JACOB.

SURE. THIS LEGISLATION WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MORE ACTIVELY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND A LAW PASSED IN 2013. THE MOST RECENT DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF ARKANSAS HAS REQUESTED TO BE PART OF A LAWSUIT DEFENDING THE LAW IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OD THIS IS ALL OVER THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTION COMMISSIONERS -- THEY NOTICED IF YOU'RE AN IN PERSON VOTER AND FAIL TO PROVIDE ID YOU GET TO CAST A PROVISIONAL R ID LATER BUT THERE IS NOTHING FOR SENTEE VOTERS SO THEY DID THAT FOR THOSE VOTERS ALSO AND SINCE THEN THE PULASKI COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTION LOOKED AT THAT AND IT'S UP TO THE LEGISLATURE AND THEY FAILED THAT PROVISION AND THE GOP WANTED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE T. HE ATTORNEY GENERAL PREVIOUS ISSUED AN OPINION ESSENTIALLY AGREEING WITH THE SUIT THAT THE STATE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE ISSUES THESE OPINIONS ALL H STILL REPRESEN AGENCIES. THEY'RE NON BINDING OPINIONS BUT THE STATE GOP WAS CONCERNED THAT PERHAPS THE OFFICE DEFENDED THAT THAND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DEFENDING THE LAW GETTING ASSISTANCE HE PLAINLY DOESN'T WANT.

I CAN IMAGINE HE DOESN'T WANT IT BUT IT WAS DECIDED BY JUDGE TIM FOX IN PULASKI COUNTY AND GOP WILL ASSIST. IT'S NOT CLEAR TO WHAT DEGREE THEY WILL BE CRAFTING THE ARGUMENTS WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BUT LIKE THIS WITH THE JUDICIAL DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE DECIDED IN WETHER CASE TOO AND RYS. THE MATTER OF GAY MARRIAGE AND BEFORE THE JUDGE IN PULASKI CIRCUIT AND WILL RULE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND SOME ARGUMENTS.

IN FACT HE COMPLEMENTED THE HE ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS THAT HIS THOUGHT PROCESS IS KIND OF DRIFTING ALONG SOME BUT HE KIND OF HAS AN IDEA OF WHERE HE'S GOING WITH IT. HAS NOT INDICATED WHICH HE DOES ANTICIPATE ISSUING A RULING WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

WELL, AGAIN YOU DON'T WANT TO GET IN FRONT OF A JUDGE WITH A DECISION BUT ASSUMING FOR A ULF PLAINTIFFS. FODDER AT ELECTION TIME?

CERTAINLY. ONE OF THE THINGS THOUGH IF THERE IS A DECISION ISSUED GAVE A TWO WEEK DEADLINE FOR THE DECISION SO WE SHOULD KNOW IN TWO KS'SSED AND THE BAN LIFTED THERE IS LIKELY A STAY GRANTED SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE IMMEDIATELY EFFECT AT LEAST AND GO UNDOUBTEDLY BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT BEFORE MOVING ON R DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES IN ARKANSAS ARE IN RELATIVE AGREEMENT ON THE ISSUE IT SEEMS.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT IN FRONT OF THE ISSUE IN ARKANSAS FROM EITHER PARTY BUT DOESN'T REMOVE IT NECESSARILY ISSUE EVEN IF BOTH WOULD ARGUE THE STATE'S POSITION. IT'S OUT THERE AND HAS TO BE DEALT WITH.

RIGHT. AT THE VERY MINIMUM VOTERS SEEMS IN THE T PASSED THEIR MINDS SEEM TO BE MADE UP AND THE LEGISLATURE HASN'T PURSUED OPTIONS EXCEPT LETTING IT GO THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM.

AND WE HAVE TO END IT THERE TIME THANKS FOR COMING IN AND TO YOU THANKS FOR WATCHING AND WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.

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