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Barnes and... A Conversation with Dr. Emmett Carson

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Steve and Dr. Emmett Carson, president and CEO of the Silicon Valley Community Foundation, discuss racial healing, equity in the American South, and racial attitudes in the 21st century. Carson is a leading thinker in the field of philanthropy. He oversees the foundation’s work as the largest grantmaker among community foundations in the United States.

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HELLO AGAIN, EVERYONE, THANKS FOR JOINING US. LITTLE ROCK IS SOME DISTANCE FROM SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA, BUT DR. EMMETT CARSON IS IN ARKANSAS AS PA OF A COMMEMORATION OF SORTS HEREAT THE CLINTOPRESIDENTIAL CENTER, A COMMEMORATION OF THE 15TH ANNIVERSARY OF WH WAS TO HAVE BEEN A GREAT NATIONAL DIALOGUE ON RACE. AND OUR GUEST TODAY MENTS THAT THAT DIALOGUE HAS YET HAPPEN. DR. EMMETT RSON, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.  THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

YOU ARE CHIEF EXECUTIVE, CEO OF THE SILICON VALLEY COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, 4 BILLION, I BELIEVE --

3 BILLION, 4 BILLION TO COME. [LAUGHTE

YOU CAME TO DISCUSS -- YOUR REMARKS WERE TITLED RACIAL HEALING AND RECONCILIATION IN THE UTH, SPECIFICALLY THE SOUTH. WHY JUST THE SOUTH?

WELL, THERE WAS A PRELIMINARTITLE THAT THE ORGANIZEE ME. REALLY IS RACIAL HEALICROSS AMERICA, THAT THE --

NOT TOPICKY.

NO, I THINK IT'S A VERY ASTUTE QUESTION. IT'S AN AMERICAN ISSUE AND PRESIDENT CLINTON HAD HOPED TO HAVE A NATIONAL DISSION ABOUT RACE. AND IT'S TRULY NATIONAL ISSUE DAY AND IT'S GONE BEYOND SIMPLY AFRICAN AMERICANS AND WHITE AMERICANS TO INCLUDE CROSS-RACIAL GROUPS. SO, LATINOS D AFRICAN AMERICANS, FOR EXAMPLE, ASIAN AMERICANS AND WHITE AMERICANS OR AFRICAN AMERICANS. SO, THE NEED FOR CONVERSATION OUT RACE AND ETHNICITY HAS ONLY GROWN SINCE PRESIDENT CLINTON ANNOUNCED THE NEED FOR THIS CONVERSATION

IT WAS SAID THAT THE PRESIDENT'S POLITICAL PROBLEMS IN WASHGTON, WHETHER THEY WERE LEGAL ONGRESSIONAL, WHATEVER.

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FORESTALLED THAT CONVERSATION, THAT DIALOGUE ABOUT RACE. WELL,  IN THE YEARS SINCE HAS TRIED TO KEEP IT GOING, ANYWAY. BUT STILL, YOU ARGUE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING RESEMBLING  THE PRESIDENT HAD IN MIND.

THAT'S TRUE. WE, WE COME UPCLOSE TO HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RACE, BUT THE IN A CONTEXT OF HIGH TENSION. YOU TAKE THE TRAYVON MARTIN INCIDENT IN FLO. THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WAS TALKING ABOUT RACE. YOU TAKE THE OSCAR GRANT MURDER IN OAKLAND. THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WAS TALKING ABOUT RACE. BUT WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN THE MIDST OF A SINGLE INCIDENT THAT'S VERY NARROW, THAT'S VERY FOCUSED ON THE PARTICULARS OF THAT EVENT. AND THAT'S NOT THE BROADER CONVERSATION, BUT IT GI EVIDENCE OF WHY THAT KINDOF CONVERSATION ISO NECESSARY SO THAT WHEN SUCH INCIDES OCCUR, THEY DON'T TAKE ON ADDED PROPORTION OF DRAMA THAT WE SEEM  HAVE AS A NATION AROUND IT.

THEY'RE EPISODIC AND THEY'RE FEVERED.

YES.

WHAT DOES IT T TO GET A CONVERSATION -- FIRST, LET ME JUST, NOT TO CHALLENGE THE ESIDENT

NO. PROBABLY A NUMBER OF BOTH RACES SOLOMON ISLANDERS, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION? HAVEN'T WE SETTLED THIS? AND IF WE HAVEN'T SETED IT, WON'VENTUALLY GENERATIONAL CHANGE -- WILL INTER MARRIAGE CELERATE IT? HAVEN'T WE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS?

WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE TRACKED PIECES OF THE CONVERSATION, THEY MAY FEEL THAT WAY. LET ME TELL YOU WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT IS AMERICA A PLTODAY WHERE EVERY AMERICAN HAS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY? AND I THINK JUST THE CURSORY LOOK AT MULTIPLE STUDIES, STUDIES THAT MAKE US UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT DIFFERENCES IN MEDICAL EATMENT, HOW PEOPLE WHO DON'T GET A CALL BACK SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THEIR FIRST NAME, THERE HAVE BEEN STUDIES, BLIND STUDIES, IF YOU HAVE ONE KIND OF NAME, SAME BACKGROUND, SAME DEGREES, YOU DON'T GET THE CALL BACK AS SOMEBODY WITH A DIFFERENT NAME. THE EDUCATIONAL DISPARITY. THE DISCUSSION ABOUT RACE IS NOT ABOUT BLAME. IT'S NOT OUT SAYING, OH, THE GROUP THAT HAS THE DISPARITY IS BLAMELESS AND THE GROUP THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE DISPARITY HAS CAUSED IT. THAT'SNOT THE RACE DISCUSSION. THE RACE DISCUSSION IS UNDERSTANDING THAT IF CITIZENS COMMITTED TO A COMMON GOOD, WE ARE ALL DIMINISHED WHEN THOSE DISPARITIES EXIST. SO, I THINK SOMETIMES THE RACE DISCON GETS FRAMED AS, THIS IS GOING TO BE A BLAME DISCUSSION. AND SOMEBODY IS GOING TO WALK OUT AND SAY, YOU DID THIS TO ME. THAT WAS THE RACE DISCUSSION OF E '50S AND THE '60S. THE RACE DISCUSSION IN THE 21ST CENTURY IS, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE EVERY POSSIBLE PERSON WHO CAN ACHIEVE AND BE A PART OF THIS GREAT COUNY, ACHIEVES THEIR GOAL SOCAN COMPETE AGAINST CHINA? SO WE CAN COMPETE AGNST INDIA? WHEN 50% OF AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE DROPPING OUT, THE COUNTRY NETO TALK ABOUT THAT. AND THAT MAWELL BE SOME THIN THAT AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITIES NEED TO DO DIFFERENT, SOME THINGS THAT SCHOOLS HAVE TO DO DIFFERENT, SOME THINGS THATE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO TEACH DIFFERENTLY. THAT'S A RACE RELATED DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S NOT THE LITTLE ROCK DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO GETS IN. A DIFFERENT RACE DISCUSSION.

YOU FRAME IT, AT TIMES, IN ECONOMIC TERMS, DOLLARS AND CENTS TERMS, IN THE CONTEXT OF HUMAN CAPITAL SQUANDERED.

YEA THE ISSUE FOR ME IS IF WE JUST STEP BACK AND DON'T PUT A LABEL ON T DON'T AY AFRICAN-AMERICAN OR LATINOR ASIAN, YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF YOUR POPULATI THAT IS UNEMPLOYED, IS MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM A HOMIE OR BE INCARCERATED, THAT BRINGS DOWN THE ENTIR COUNTRY. WE'RE INVESTININ PEOPLE WHO COULD OTHERWE BE PRODUCTIVE MEMBEROF OUR COMMUNITY. WE ALL HAVE A JOINT INTEREST IN WANTING TO MAKE SURE EVERY INDIVIDUAL IS ACCOMPLISHED AND SUCCESSFUL. I'D RATHER PAY MONEY FOR SOMEONE TO END UP BEING AN ENGINEER, AN ASTRONAUT, AN INVENTOR THAN TO PAY FOR SOMEBODY SPENDING TH 15 YEARS IN JAIL AND THEN WE NEED TO PAY FOR MEDICAL CARE. SO, AS A DOLLARS ANCENTS ECONOMIC PROPOSITION, WHERE IS THE COUNTRY BETTER OFF? IF WE CAN'T SCUSS THAT ONE GROUP MAY BE DISPROPORTIONATELY REPRESENTED IN SOME GORY THAT BRINGS US ALL DOWN. AND HONESTLY HAVE THE DIALOGUE ABOUT HOW DID THAT HAPPEN, HOW DO WE MOVE OUT OF THAT, WE END UP SORT OF CIRCLING THE CONDITIONS ONLY GET WORSE. THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE. ~ WE Y MONEY AND SEE R RECEIVE  RETURN ON INVESTMENT. MAYBE WE DON'T NEED THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT. IN FACT, WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSION MORE THAN EVER BEFORE  LOING AT THE DATA.

YOU POKE, GENTLE IF POINTED FUN AT THE NOTION OF --

I DO, INDEED.

E SECOND ADMINISTRATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.

ABSOLUTELY. LOOK, IF THE QUESTION IS, IS AMERICA DIFFERENT AND BETTER, MY N LIFE HISTORY GROWING UP IN INNER CITY CHICAGO AND NOW LEADING ONE OF THE LARGEST FOUNDATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES IS EVIDENCE OF THAT. I DIDN'T NEED AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT WITH, SAY, PH.D. GRADUATING FR PRINCETON UNIVERSITY, OBVIOUSLY AMERICA IS DIFFERENT. BUT MY INDIVIDUAL SUCCESS, THE PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA SUCCESS, AMERICAN EXPRESS ESS, MANY OTHERS, INDIVIDUAL SUCCESS IS NOT EQUAL  COLLECTIVE SUCCESS. COECTIVE OPPORTUNITY. SO, AT THE SAME TIME I CAN SIT HERE BEFORE YOU ANSAY, YES, AMERICA HAS ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITIES. I CAN ALSO EQUALLY SAY THAT THIS NOTION THAT SOCIETY IS FAIR TO EVERY AMERICAN THOUT REGARD TO RACE SIMPLY ISN'T SUPPORTED BY ANY DATA THAT ANYONE HAS EVER BROUGHT FORWARD. WE SIMPLY DECLARED BY FIATWE ARE NOW A POST-RACIAL SOCIETY. AND I WOULD SAY, SHE THE DATA. SHOW ME WHERE AT IS TRUE WHERE RACE IS NOT A DETERMINANT OF SOCIAL ECONOMIC OUTCOME. NOIT IS A FAIR QUESTION ASK, WHY DOES THAT EX WHY DO THOSE STATISTICS EXIST? BUT TO ASSERT THAT RACE DOESN'T MATTER IS JUST ON THE SURFACE AN IDIOTIC POTION BASED ON LOOKING AT THE DATA.

POLITALLY, IT IS A FFERENT -- IT HAS BEEN A PRETTYOUGH SELL IN THE KIND OF SOCIAL, EDUCATIONAL, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM INTENDED TO CRACK ENDEMIC ENTRENCHED POVERTY AND A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE COUNTRY WOUPROBABLY SUBSCRIBE TO THIDEA, THEY WOULD LL IT REALITY. BUT PUT BLUNTLY IF COURSELY POOR FOLKS ARE ALWAYS GOING BE POOR AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN ALTER THAT DYNAMI THE HYDRAULIOF AMERICAN SOCIAL LIFE. WHAT DO YOU TELL THEM?

I'M AN ECONOMIST BY TRAINING, SO, I KNOW A TTLE BIT ABOUT MARKETS. AND, SO, LEFT TO THE DEVICES OF THE MARKET, THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE SMARTER. WHO HAVE MORE DRIVE.E PEOPLE THERE ARE GOING  BE PEOPLE JUST PLAIN LUCKY, ALL RIGHT. THEY'RE BORN AT A TIME IN WHH THE ECONOMIC CAPACIES WERE IN A DEPRESSION. BECAUSE WE'RE IN A DEPRESSION, THERE WEREN'T JOBS. SO, YOU HAVE THREE FACTORS. SKILLS, DRIVE, AND LUCK. NOTWITHSTANDING THAT, IF WE SEE THE ENTIRE POPULATION DISPROPORTIONATELY, OVER DECADES  AT THE BOTTOM, WE HAVEAN OBLIGATION AS FELLOW AMERICANS TO WANT TO UNDERSHY THAT'S OCCURRING. IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SILY SAY, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY AND IT WILL FOREVER BE THAT LL, WASHING YO HANDS OF IT, YOU CONSIGN BOHE GROUP AND THE CATEGORY. BUT ALSO THE LARGER GROUP TH IS AFFEED BY IT TO A SECOND-CLASS STATE OF AMERICA BECAUSE AMERICA ONLY REACHES ITS FINEST WHEN EVERYBODY HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY. ALL RIGHT. SO, THE DATA TO DRIVE US TO EXPLORE, TO HAVE T HONEST CONVERSATION. AND THAT NEST CONVERSATION MAY NOT SULT IN, WE NEED A NEW PROGRAM, RIGHT. THE HONEST CONVERSATIONMAY NOT BE, IF IS A NEW OGRAM DIRECTED TO THIS GROUP. IF THERE IS, THE BEEF THAT WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT DIRECTED AT A PARTICULAR GROUP, THAT PROGRAM IS DIRECTED AT A PARTICULAR GROUP. IT DOES NOT MEAN I AM DOING HARM TO EVERY OUP WHO IS OTHERWISE SUCCESSFUL THAT'S PART OF THE IDEOLO THAT WE HAVE TO BREAKDOWN THAT AS AMERICANS, KATRINA HAPPENED. NO ONE SAID, WELL, IF WE DO METHING FOR THE PEOPLE IN KATRINA, YOU'REOT DOING STUFF FOR THE FOLK ELSEWHERE. NEW YORK HAPPENED WITH THE HURRICANEN THE COASTLINE. IF WE DO SOMETHING FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT, HEY, YOU'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING FOR ME IN LITTLE ROCK. PART OF THE MMON GOOD OF HELP THOSE AMERICANS WHO AR UNDER DISTRESS. SO, IF WE SEE A GROUP OF AMERICANS STEMICALLY IN DISTRESS, WE'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND 'VE GOT TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

WE'RE SITTING IN A INSTITUTION, THE HORTON SCHOOL, IN WHICH THE COMMON GOOD IS THE CUENCY OF THE CURRICULUM.

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HAVE WE LOST THAT? HAVE WE LOST A MOTION OR SENSE ONALLY OF THE COMMON GOOD?

I THINK WE HAVE. I MEAN, TODAY WE LIVE IN A WORLD OF FACEBOOK AND ITUNES AND IPAD AND IT'S ALL ABOUT ME. WE'VE DEVEPED A YOUNG, SOCIETY OF G PEOPLE WHO HAVE IT YOUR WAY, HAVE THE WORLD TAILORE YOU LISTEN TO THE MUSIC YOU WANT ON -- YOUR LIST OF SONGS. YOU CONNECT WITH ONLY THE PEOPLE YOU CARE ABOUT. YOU CAN TAILOR THE NEWS TO ONLY THE NEWS THAT YOU AGREE WITH. ERODE THE COMMON GOOD, THE TLY COMMON UNDERSTANDING. WE HAVE SEAR PROGRAMS ON COMPUTERS TODAY THAT LOOK AT YOUR PAST SEARCHES AND SAY, IF THEY KNOW YOU LIKE MEXICAN FOOD, MEXICAN RESTAURANTS COME UP FIRST. SO, THINK ABOUT IT. IF I HAVE A POINT OF VIEW, NOW I'M BEING FED THE NEWAND PERSPECTIVE TO MY POINT OF EW. THAT ERODES HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING. SO, WE HAVE TO SORT OF REORIENT OURSELVES, TO FORCE OUVES TO SAY, AMERICA'S WHOLE EMISE IS AROUND THE VALUE PROPOSITION AT I CAN -- SAY WHAT I BELIEVE IN, HAVE THE RELIGIOUS VALUE PROPOSITION I LIEVE IN, THAT'S OUR DIVERSITY. D WHEN WE BECOME INSULAR AND NOT OPEN TO THOSE ER DIMINISH OUR DEMOCRACY.E

YOU CONTEND ALSO THAT WHEN YOU CHALLENGE THE EBLISHED ORDER, WHETHER IT'S IN BUSINESS, LABOR, EDUCATION, COMMERCE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A PUSH BACK BECAUSE WE'RE SO TOGETHER, SO ENTRENCHED, OUR WALLS ARE SO HIGH AND OUR THOUGHT PROCESSES -- VALUES SO RIGID.

I WOULD SAY IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY ANSAY CHANGE IS JUST HARD. WE LIKE DOING IT OUR WAY. ONCE I DISCOVERED I LIKE MY COFFEE MY WAY, I HAVEN'T CHANGED IT SINCE. AND SOMEBODY GETS IT WRONG, I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT CHANGING MY COFFEE, ALL RIGHT. WE GET ENTRENCHED IN WAYS OF DOING THINGS AND THINKING ABOUT THINGS IN A COUNTRY THAT IS INCREDIBLY DYNAMIC. OW, YOU AND I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE A BIG OP MACHINE. YOU AND I  WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVEN 8-TRACK TAPE. MY 22 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER --

ARE WE OLD?

AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED IN OUR LIFETIME. WE NOW HAVE DEVICES THAT CONNECT US TO THE WORLD AND WE ARE TEN AFRAID OF WHAT AT MEANS TO TWEET. AND, , CHANGE IS ALWAYS DIFFICULT AND PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS HAVE A 21ST CERY CONVERSATION ABOUT -- NOT THE 20TH CENTURY CONVERSATION ABRACE THAT SHAPED ALL OF THESE.

IF WE DN'T HAD THE CONVERSATION, IF THE DIALOGUE IS LESS THAN ROBUST, ARE WE ILL MOVING FORWARD? ARE WE AT A POINT OF STABSESS? ARE WE REGRESSING? ~ STASIS

I THINK WE'RE MOVING FORWAR BUT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD INCREMENTALL I'VE  WE HAVE NUMEROUS SUCCESSES TO POINT TO. WE HAVE NUMEROUS THINGS THAT WE CAN TAKE PRIDE THAT WE AREN'T WHAT WE USED TO BE, BUT WE AREN'T WHAT MOST OF US WOULD LIKE TO BE. MOST OF THE SURVEYS OF AFRICAN AMERICANS, OF WHITE AMERICANS, STATE TO THE FACT THAT TH BELIEVE THEY HAVE WITNESSED RACISM, THEY'VE SEEN RACISM. THEY'VE HEARD RACIST REMARKS. WE'RE NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE. AND UNTIL WE CAN START TO SAY E ARE GROUPS OF PEOPLE WHO BE IDENTIFIED YEAR OVER YEAR AS HAVING THAT EXPERIENCE, THE SUSS OF AMERICA, AS AMERICANS WE ARE HONOBOUND TO GURE OUT WHAT ACCOUNTS TO THAT AND DO WHAT WE CAN TO CORRECT IT. IT'S  PRESIDENT CLINTON WANTED 15 YEARS AGO. I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERY AMERICWANTS, EVERYONE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL. OING BACK TO THAT DIALOGUE, THAT CONVERSATION HAS NOT OCCURRED, IS IT BECAUSE YOU THINK WE'RE ALL FOBETTER OR WORSE, WE'RE ALL IN A COMFORT ZONE? I THINK THAT'S THE GREAT RECESSION. SOCIALLYAYBE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE ARE, WE'RE TOO COMFORTABLE SO THERE IS NO POINT IN HAVING IT IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING?

I THINK WE'RE AFRAID. IT'S HARD TO MEET AND TALK TO PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT LAUAGE, A DIFFERENT ORIENTATION, A DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS VALUE PROPOSITION THAN WE DO. AND TO GO INTO A NVERSATION, TO LISTEN FIRST AND TH RESPOND  RATHER THAN A CONVERSATIO REFUTE. ALSO WE START NVERSATION -- I'M HERE TO TELLOU, WELL, YOU' WRONG, NOT TO LISTEN TO FIND COMMON GROUND TO UNDERSTAND. AND THOSE CONVERSATI, ONCE THEYTAKE PLACE ENRICH BOTH PARTIES. IT'S NOWE ALL WALK AWAY CUM BA YA. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE MEET FELLOW AMERICANS WHO HAVE DIFFERENT DREAMS AND ASPIRATIONS AND UNDERSTAND HOW THEY BLEND INTO THE GREAT MELTING POT CALLED AMERICA.

INSIDIOUS, THAT'S THE TERM YOU USE TO DESCRIBE THE IDEA THAT RANO LONGER MATTERS OR THAT THE ELECTION OF MR. OBAMA IS ONE MAJOR EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED A POINT IN ICAN SOCIETY WHERE WHAT TRULY ERS ARE ACADEMIC CETERA. S, EXPERIENCE, ET

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INSIDIOUS, YOU CALL IT.  YES, INSIDIOUS.

HWHY?

LET ME GIVE YOU TEXAMPLES. THERE ARE NUMEROUS STS THAT HAVE BE REPORTED, REPORTED IN THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL," FOR EXAMPLE, OF TESTERS THAT HAVE GONE OUT WITH IDENTICAL ACADEMIC BACKGROUNDS. ONE GROUP IS A GROUP OF COLOR, ANOTHER GROUP WHO ARE WHITE. TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THE WHITE EMPLOYEE GETS THAT -- THE WHITE APPLICANTS GET CALLED BACK FOR JOB, AMERICANS OF COLOR DO NOT, WHETHER IDENTICAL. WHEN YOSEND IT IN THROUGH THE MAIL, THEY USE AN SOUNDING NAMES OR NAMES OF COLOR. THOSE APPLICANTS GET REJECTED EVEN THROUGH THE MAIL.

THEY'LL TAKE MIKE OVER MOHAMMED. BROKEN ARM, ARE NOT GIVEN PAINLLERS AT THE SAME RATE AS WHITE AMERICANS. ~ TECHNICAFFICULTY I DON'T THINK THE DOCTORS DOING THAT ARE INHERENTLY RACIST HOW AND WHY THEY DO THAT. ITCURS AND IT IS DOCUED, AND THE FACT WE ARE UNPREPARED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSTION ABOUT IT SUGGTS TO ME THAT IT IS INSIDIOUS. WE'RE AFRAID OF IT RATHER THAN SAYING, HOW DITHAT HAPPEN? HOW DOES HIS MEDICAL FACILITY, SAME MEDICAL FACILITY WITH THE SAME DOCTORS, TREAT PEOPLE SO DIFFER

YOU AT THE SAME TIME ARE NOT RELUCTANT TO SAY TO THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, REPRESENTATIVE COMMUNITY, WHY DON'T WE START -- YOU CANNOT NEGLECT PROBLEMS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THESE ASSAULTS.

ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN ABOUT I N'T PRESUMETHE RESPONSE IN THE CONVERSATION. 93% THE HOMICIDES OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEARE BY OTHER AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEN. THAT'S THE DATA. THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. THAT OUGHT TO CONCERN ME. AND IF IT'S NOT SOMEONE ELSEDOING MOST OF THOSE MURDERS, IT'S OTHER AFRICAN AMERICANS. WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION D UNDERSTAND AND TRACK WHERE THEVIDENCE IS. WHY IS THAT OCCURRING? WHAT CAN WE DO AS A COMMUNITY TO STOP IT? THAT OUGHT TO -- YOU OUT TO CHAMPION -- WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. I OUGHT TO BE AMPIONING THAT. WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

IF IT'S NOT TOO -- I'M ING TO GIVE YOU A PRETTY B CANVAS HERE IN THE TIME WE HAVE REMAINING. CALLIN PUBLIC SECTOR, PRIVATE SECTOR, COORDINATING OR ACTINGINDEPENDENTLY OF ONE ANOTHER, HOW WOULD YOU DESIGN AN APPROACH TO, IF NOT HAVE THE CONVERSATION, YEAH, A FURTHER CONVERSATION, AND B, MOTHIS UNTRY TO A MORE EQUITABLE?

I WOULD START WITH PICKING ONE SPECIFIC TOPIC. TAKE EDUCATION. WHY IS IT THAT 50% OF AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE DRNG OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL? WE HAVE BLACK SUPERINTENDENTS IN MANY OF THESE CITIES. WE HAVE AFRICAN-AMERICAN ACHERS WHO ARE WORKING HARD. THERE ARE PARENTS IN THOSE COMMIES. WE NEED TO GET AT WHY IS THAT OCCURRING? AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE DATA, LOOK AT IT HONESTLY, AND HAVE MULTIPLICITY OF APPROACHES, THEN, THAT WE UE TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. WE NEED TO HOLD THE PARENTS ACCOUNTABLE. WE MAY  TO HOLD THE TEACHERS AND THE NS ACCOUNTABLE. WE NEED TO NGE THE STRUCTURES PERHAPS IN SOME CASES TO TEACH DIFFERENTLY TO GET MORE SUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES. BUT WE ALL OUGHT TO AGREE THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE IN AMERICA IN THE 21ST CEURY AND THEN GO AFTER THAT IN T FOCUSED WAY, NOT WHO LIKES WHO, BUT HOW DO WE GET THEIR OUTCOME FROM THE COMMUNITY  WE NEED TO HAVE TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN A GLOBALLY COMPETITIVE SOCIETY?

HOW DO YOU AT THAT IN THE HOME, WHICH IS WHAT THE CRITICI'M NOT SAYING UNJUSTIFIABLY, SO OFTEN POINT TO WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE PATHOLOGY AND POVERTY IN THE COUNTRY. AND THAT'S ONE, A SINGLE PARENT

ABSOLUTELY. THAT HAS TO BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION. THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. THE DISCUSSION CAN'T BE PREJUED BY SAYING IT'S ONLY ONE ASPECT TO IT AND IT'S THIS ASPECT. THE DISCUSSION HAS TO BE FRAMED IN A Y THAT ALL OF THAT IS ON THE TABLE. IT MAY BE UNCOORTABLE TO COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND THE THINGS THAT MAY BE UNCOMFORTABLE TO PEOPLE WH MANAGE THE SYSTEM. AND OUT OF TH, SAY, IF WE'RE REALLY COMMITTED TO CHANGING THIS, EVERYBODY HAS GOT SOME ROLE TO , RIGHT. EVERYBODY'S GOT TO COMMIT TO DOIN SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY AND FIGURING OUT, HOW DO YOU CREATE THE INTERVENTION THAT WEHINK PARENTS HAVE TO HAPPEN? BUT EQUALLY SO, THERE ARE SOME PARENTWHO SHOW UP AT THE SCHOOLWHO DO THE HOMEWORK WITH THE KIDS, AND THEIR KIDS CAN'T READ AT THE ENF THE DAY. WELL, WHO OWNS THAT? RIGHT? WHERE DOTHE TEACHERS COME IN FOR OWNING THAT THKID HAS BEEN PASSED AND DOESN'T KNOW E WORDS? SO, THERE'S A LOT OF BLAME THAT IF WE N'T -- NOT STARTING WITH THE BLAME, I'M STARTI WITH THE COMMITMENT TO MOVE THE ISSUE.

DR. EMMETT CARSON, THK YOU FOR HELPING US MOVE THIS -- I HOPE WE MOVE THE I.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. IT'SEEN A PLEASURE.

THANKS VERY MUCH. AND WE'LSEE YOU NEXT TIME.

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