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Barnes and... A Conversation with William Schwab

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Steve talks with Dr. William Schwab to discuss his book, Right to DREAM: Immigration Reform and America's Future.  It explores the key issues surrounding the DREAM Act, which would provide residency for undocumented youth brought to the United States as children and immigration reform.  Schwab analyzes the arguments for and against the DREAM Act and draws his own conclusions.  Mr. Schwab is a professor of Sociology at the University of Arkansas.

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HELLO AGAIN EVERYONE. THANKS FOR JOINING US. DR. BILL SCHWAB IS A PROFESSOR OF SOCIOLOGY. ALSO HE IS THE PROFESSOR OF THE RIGHT TO DREAM, A NEW BOOK THAT DEALS WITH THE DREAM ACT, WHY THE AUTHOR BELIEVES IT'S ESSENTIAL TO ARKANSAS AND THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY AS WELL. THANKS FOR ING WITH US.

THANKS FOR INVITING ME.

WHY YOU? Y THIS ISSUE? WHY NOW?

THE ISSUE IS BECAAS A PROFESSOR AS A DEAN I WORKED WITH THESE STUDENTS OVER THE YEARS, AND THEY'RE REMARKABLE YOUNG PEOPLE AND THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN THIS CRUEL SITUATION WHICH IS NOT OF THEIR MAKING.

WE'RE A BIT OF AHEAD HOWHAT ?

CHILDREN THAT CAME TO THE UNITED STATES UNAUTHORIZED AND MOST OF THE YOUNG UNDOCUMENTED STUDENTS THAT I DEAL WITH ARRIVED HERE AT A VERY, VERY YOUNG AGE, SOMETIMES AS INSTANTS, THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS OF AGE. THEY HAVE GONE TO OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. THEY HAVE BEEN RAISED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY PLAYED ON THE SPORTS TEAM. THEY SPEAK ENGLISH AS THE FIRST LANGUAGE AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF ONES THAT I WORK WITH YOU CANNOT TELL THEY'RE NOT AMERICANS. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY DON'T HAVE THRIGHT IMMIGRATION STATUS SO WATCHING THEM PUSHED INTO THE SHADOWS KNOWING THAT THE ODDS THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEPORIS MINISCULE. REALIZING THEY ARE LEG THEIR ADULT LIVES HERE I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND CONTRIBUTION AS A ACADEMIC IS TRY TO LOOK AT THIS ISSUE THROUGH THE EYES OF SOCIAL SCIENCE.

THE IMMEDIATE ISSUE THAT'S ADDRESSED IN IS -- OR AT LEAST IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR CONVERSATION.

OKAY.

SHOULD THESE G PEOPLE BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND UNIVERSITY AND PAY THE IN STATE OR THISA MAJOR PART THE ISSUE PAY IN STATE TUITION? SHOULD THEY BE IN THE IS A QUESTION THAT MAOF THE CONCERNS FREEZING OUT, MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE HIGHER EDUCATION THE COUNTRY THEY WERE RAISED FOR FINANCIAL REASONS BECAUSE OF THE IMMIGRATION STATUS.

TO PUT THINGS TO CONTEXT WE HAD 19 STUDENTS ATTENDING THE UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS AND IGHE REQUIRED A SOCIAL  UP TO THEN ENTS SIMPLY HAD TO GRADUATE FROM A ARKANSAS HIGH SCHOOL. THEIR TUITION WENT UP $9,000. DAVE GERHEART WAS ABLE TO FIND PRIVATE DONORS.

CHANCE LORCHANCELLOR AND WE GRADUATION BUT WE COULDN'T AFFORD AS INSTITUTIONS TO SUPPORT THE LARGE INCREASE IN HISPANIC STUS COMING TO THE UNIVERSITY SO I THINK WHEN YOU WORK WITH THE STUDENTS AND YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE FAMILY STRUGGLING TO HAVE THEM TAKE ONE COURSE PE SEMESTER YOU SEE CLEARLY HOW THE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES ARE BEING CONTAINED AND THEIR TALENTS AND SKILLS WHICH WE SORELY NEED IN THE STATE OF ARKANSAS ARE BESQUANDERED. THAT'S MY POSITION ON THE DREAM ACT IN KANSAS.

OPPONENTS SAY THAT SOUNDS GOOD AND WE HAVE SYMPATHY FOR THE PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES BUT THEY'RE UNDOCUMENTED. IN WORD THEY'RE ILLEGAL. WE'RE SORRY BUT THERE IT IS.

I NK WE CAN GO CK TO A LANDMARK SUPREME COURT RULING THAT I WRITE ABOUT IN THE FIRST APTER OF THE BOOK AND THE FIRST CHR IS THESE CHILDREN ARE BLAMELESS AND THAT COMES FROM A 1982 SUPREME COURT CASE CALLED PLATTER DOE AND JUSTICE BRENNAN SAID 'S THE GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAW CLEARLY THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB. THERE ARE MILLIONS OF UNAUTHORIZED PEOPLE LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES BUT THE SECOND POINT HE MAKES IS CHILDREN THAT WERE BROUGHT HERE HAD NO AGENCY IN THAT DECISION AND O THEY ARE AMELESS AND LATER ON IN THE OPINION HE ARGUES THAT IT IS IN THE COMMON GOOD OF THIS NATION THAT WE EDUCATE ALL CHILDREN BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HE'S UNDOCUMENTED CHILDREN WILL BE FORCED INTO A PERMANENT UNDER CLASS, SO I ARGUE THAT IN TH BOOK THAT THE DREAM ACT IS NOTHING MORE THAN A STRAIGHTFORWARD APPLICATION OF THIS CASE TO THE CHILDREN WHEN THEY TURN 18 AND APPLY IT TO HIGHER EDUCATION. THAT'S HOW I VIEW THE DREAM ACT.

AND ARGUMENT AGAINST IT THAT DREAM IS UNFAIR TO RALIZED CITIZENS OR IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE ACTIVELY PURSUING CITIZENSHIP. IT'S UNFAIR TO THE NATIVEBORN.

I WOULD GO BACK TO TISSUE THEY'RE BLAMELESS. THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN A SITUWHEN THEY TURN 18 ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE CRIMINALS AND AGAIN IT'S NOT OF THEIR MAKING. THEY DIDN'T MAKE THE DECISION TO COME RE BUT THEY'RE HERE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE DEPORTED SO IT ISOUR COMMON INTEREST TO E THAT THEY'RE ED. THEY GET GOOD JOBS. THEY BUY MORE. THEY PAY MORE TAXES AND FULLY PARTICIPATE IN OUR SOCIETY AND THAT IS THE THRUST OF THE BOOK. IT'S IN THE COMMON INTEREST AND GOOD TO DO THIS.

DREAM THE CRITICS SAY ONE MORE INCENTIVE FOR UNDOCUMENTED FOR LEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO CONTINUE TO ENTER THE UNITED STATES. THAT IT IS A PERK, A BENEFIT THAT MAKES ILLEGAL ENTRY MORE ENTICING.D STATES ALL THE

I HAVE INTERVIEWED OR RECEIVED BIBLIOGRAPHIES ON MANY YOUNG PEOPLE AND STARTED IN ARKANSAS IN 2007. I HAVE INTERVIEWED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AND NOT ONE MENTIONED EDUCAT BENEFIT TO COME HERE. THEY CAME FROM THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES HERE. THEY COME HERE TO AVOID A CIVIL WAR OR AN AVE HUSBAND AND COME HERE TO SEEK MEDICA CARE. ONE OF THE MAJOR MOTIVATIONS IS REUNITE THE FAMILIES. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMING HERE AND NOT ONE PERSON AND I THINK THE SUPPORTS THIS COME FROM AN EDUCATIONAL BENEFIT. THINK OF IT THEY'RE COMING AT THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS OF AGE. HIGHER EDUCATION IS MORE THAN A DECADE AWAY. IT DOESN'T FIT LOGIC I DON'T NK.

ONCE HERE DO THEY -- WOULD THEY REMAIN?

ACTUALLY IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING AND I PROFILED T YOUNG PEOPLE.

IN OTHER WORDS WOULD WE REAP THE SOCI BENEFITS, THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF HAVE THEM REMAINTHE UNITED STATES ONCE

CERTAINLY WE DO. WE HAVE A NEW POLICY CALLED DEFERRED ACTION FOR CHILD HOOD ARRIVALS. ONE OF PROFILES IN THE BOOK HAS BEEN AWARDED [INAUDIBLE] AND NOW HAS A SOCIAL SECURITY AND WORK PERMIT AND SHE'S A SENIORAT THE UNIVERSITY AND SHE'S A JOURNALISM MAJOR SO YES SHE'S GOING TO HAVE A JOB. SHE'S GOING TO HA SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. SHE'S GOING EARN MORE AND SHE'S GOING TO BE PAYING MEDICARE, SOCIAL SECURITY, FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL TAAS A RESULT OF A CHANGE IN POLICY AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. WITH A LARGER IMMIGRATION?IECE

IT HAS TO BE. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM I THINK IN AUGUST OR EW JEB BUSH EXCUSE ME, CALLED IMMIGRATION WARS AND IN THE BOOK HE PROVIDES A NT FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM AND I THINK IT'S A FIRST STEP IN A ED IN TH NOT ONLY ABOUT IMMIGRATION BUT OTHER ISSUES AS WELL, BUT IT PROVIDES A PUBLIC SERVICE. HE PROVIDES A BLUE PRINT FOR DISCUSSION AND JEB BUSH STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE DREAM ACT AND HE HAS EXPERIENCE WITH E AN CONTRIBUTIONS TO THAT STATE'S ECONOMY AND THE SAME THING IS TRUE IN THE STATE OF ARKANSAS.

OF COURSTIMES ARE CHANGING BUT IT IT HAS NOT YET GONE THE DISTANCE IN CONGRESS.

NO. BUT WE HAVE THE GROUP OF EIGHT IN THE SENATE AND WE HAVE BOEHNER IN THE HOUSE WHO IS IN SUPPORT OF THE GES THAT ARE BEING LEAKING OUT OF THE F THAT BE PATH TO CITIZENSHIP OVER A LONG TIME, 12 YEAR PERIOD, EVENTUALLY A PATH FOR CITIZENSHIP FOR THE UNDOCUMENTED CHILDREN AND YOUNG ADULTS.

I THINK A TED INDEPENDENTLY WASHINGTON. L, WE HAVE GRIDLOCK IN DC. APPROVAL RATING OF CONGRESS LAST YEAR WAS IN THE SINGLE DIGITS SO STATE LEGISLATORS HAVE TAKEN LABUT WE VE VE ADDITIONAL STATES THAT PROVIDE THE SAME BENEFIT BUT THROUGH POLICY RATHER THAN LAW.

AND THERE IS OPPOSITION AND GOVERNOR HAS SIGNALED GRAVERESERVATIONS ABOUT IT AND THE APPLICATION OF DREAM WOULD COLLIDE WITH FEDERAL STATUTES AND LEAVE THE PROGRAM IN LIMBO A

I MET WITH THE GOVERNOR YESTERDAY --

I SHOULD ADD WE'RE TAPING MARCH 20.

I THINK HE MAY HAVE SOFTENED HIS POSITION. I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS GOING TO SIGN THE BILL OR NOT BUT C THESE PEOPLE AND HE UNDERSTANDS THE CHALLENGES THEY FACE AND HE WOULD PREFER A FEDERAL LAW BUT I AM HOPEFUL HE WILL SIGN A BILL IF IT LANDS ON THE DESK.

WELL, YOU HAVE TO GET A BILL LOT OF SAUSAGE BEING MADE YESTERDAY AT THE CAPITOL I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. -- GUBERNATORIAL ADMINISTRATION WAS A ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORTER OF DREAM AND SENATOR ELLIOT AND HER REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUE MR. KEY ARE THE SPONSORS THIS. STILL ITBOUND TO BE PRETTY ROUGH.

I MET WITH JOYCE YESTERDAY. I MET WITH MR. KEYS YESTERDAY AND THEY'RE WORKING VERY HARD ON THIS ISSUE, SON'LOT OF INSIGHT INTO MAKING THE LEGISLATION AND PASSING IT OTHER THAN KNOWING THAT A LOT OF DISCUSSION IS GOING ON.

WELL, YOU NOTE IN YOUR BOOK YOU BROUGHT UP AT ONE POINT IN THE BOOK LANDMARK N THE CONFLUENCE OF ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, AND POLITICAL FACTORS -- I PUT THE POLITICAL IN ITALICS. THERE SEEMS TO BE CHANGE, SOME SHIFT CERTAINLY ON THE RIGHT OF THE SPECTRUM.

WELL,THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE PUBLISHED A REPORT, A FACT FINDING REPORT JUST TWO DAYS AGO AND BASICALLY THEY SAY THAT IF THEY WANT TO WIN NATIONALLY THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TENT THAT WELCOMES THE ENTIRE SPECTRUM OF OUR SOCIETY, AND OF COURSE THERE'S SOME EITHER THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TOOKS A DIFFERENT APPROACH TOWARD IMMIGRATION THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFICULTY COMPETING AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE VOTES WENT WHY HE WAS REELECTED.

THE ELECTIONS CHANGE THE PLAYING FIELD.

ABSOLUTELY.

IN THE GOP STUDY.

IN Y IT. THQUOTE I TOOK AWAY FROM USA TODAY THAT CAME TO THE ROOM IN MY HOTEL THAT SAID REPUBLICAN PARTY IS THE PARTY OF OLD STUFFY WHITE MAN BUT LEVEL IT THE WOMEN, THE YOUTH, THE ASIAN AND LOST THE HISPANIC VOTES OVERWHELMINGLY AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHIC REALITY OF THE SOCIETY I DON'T THINK MOST AMERICANS REALIZE THAT BY OF NE MAJORITY OF OUR CHILDREN WILL BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN, HISPANIC AND ASIAN AND BY THE NEXT DECADE THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WILL BEAF HISPANIC AND ASIAN AND WHEN YOU ADD THE 36 MILLION CHILDREN THAT HAVE ONE BORN PARENT ONE T OF EVERY FOUR A FIRST OR SECOND GENERATION IMMIGRANT SO WE'RE CHANGING AND OUR POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS MUST CHANGE AS WELL.

THE DEMOGRAPHER SEEMED TO SUGGEST THAT THPAFASTER THAN THEY ANTICIPATED.

WE SAW A DECLINE IN FERTILITY BECAUSE OF THE RECESSION AND IMMIGRANT WOMEN HAD FEWER CHILDREN SO I WAS PREDICTING JUST SIX MONTHS AGO THAT WE WOULD BECOME A MAJORITY THIS DECADE. WELL, I PUT IT OUT -- I AM A DEMOGRAPHER BUT IT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT DECADE AND WE WILL SEE THIS CHANGE.

I NOTE TOAT AMONG THE DOZEN STATESVE ACTED. NOW, YOU HAVE TO ITS WEST ARIZONA HAS NOT AND CONTINUES TO RESIST EVIDENTLY. TEXAS HOWEVER SEES THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

ONE LY BE A BLUE STATE --

DEMOGRAPHY IS AT WORK.

AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN TEXAS TO SEE IT BECOMES A BLUE STATE BY 2016. THEY HAVE A HISPANIC POPULATION. THEY PROVIDE IN STATE TUITION AND SUPPORT WITHIN THE STATE. THEY RECOGNIZE THE VITAL ROLE THEY PLAY IN THE ECONOMY. IN ARKANSAS IC PUMP IN ALMOST $4 BILLION INTO OUR ECONOMY. THEIR SOCIAL SERVICES COST ABOUT $500 MILLION SO IT'S ABOUT A SEVEN TO ONE COST BENEFIT RATIO IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC BENEFITS THAT WE REAP. NATIONALLY THE HISPANIC MARKET IS $1 TRILLION IN THE U.S. IF THEY WERE AN ECONOMY BY AMONG THEMSELVES. LD B ASIAN IMMIGRANTS AND HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS INTO THE ECONOMY PER YEAR SO THEY'RE A VITAL ECONOMIC FORCE IN THE SOCIETY AND I THINK WE NEED TO APPRECIATE THAT.

DO YOU THINK THAT IF ISSUE FROM SOUTH TO NORTH -- IN OTHER WORDS, IF MEXICO WAS INCREDIBLY PROSPEROUS AND CANADA EXCEPTIONAL POVERTY STRITHINFLU COMING FROM THE NORTH RATHER THAN FROM THE SOUTH THAT THE DEBATE WOULD BE QUITE AS FEVERED?

IN OTHER WORDS IF IT WAS WHITE CANADI EXACTLY, ENGLISH S.

WHAT ABOUT THE FRENCH?

THERE ARE FEW OF THEM.

PROBABLY NOT. I DON'T THINK MOST AMERICANS APPRECIATE THAT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER OF. ERMORE ACROSS THE SOUTHERN BORDER THAN ARRIVING AND THE SAFEST COMMUNITIES IN THE UNITED STATES ARE ON THE U.S. SIDE OF THE BORDER SO OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE. Y 100,000 PEOPLE COMING ACR BUT THE BORDER SECURITY IS SO MUCH BETTER AND THE STRATEGY WITH ENFORCEMENT GOTTEN MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE THAT MY POINT IS THAT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS NO AT'RE 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED AND UNAUTHORIZED PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE ON AVERAGE FOR OVER 10 YEARS.

DOES THAT IN YOUR JUDGMENT GIVE THE LIE GUOPPONENTS THAT W ACCOMMODATE THE SOCIAL SERVICES NETWORK, THE COMMERCIAL NETWORK, OUR ECONOMY CANNOT TEATLION.

WE ALREADY HAVE AND IF YOU LOOK AT ARKANSAS THE TAXES THAT IMMIGRANTS PAY -- 2007 THERE WAS A STUDY ON ARKANSAS IMMIGRANTS AND DID E AL AND UPDATED IT IN 2AND LOOKING AT NORTHWEST ARKANSAS FIRST TIME AROUND AND WHAT THEY SHOW IT'S ABOUT $127 PER IMMIGRANT IN THE STATE OF ARKANSAS IF YOU WANT TO L TE TST TO THE STATE WHEN U LOOK AT COST OF EDUCATION AND THE OTHER SERVICES MINUS THE TAX REVENUE, SO IT'S A VERY, VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF MINISCULE PART OF OUR STATE BUDGET AND WE REAP THE BENEFITS OF ONE COST BENEFIT RATIO IN TERMS OF THEIR SPENDING AND THEM DRIVING OUR ECONOMY.

WE HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE IN HISTORY HAVE WE NOT? WE HAD THE YELLOW PERIL. WE HAD NO IRISH NEED APPLY. NO HAD THE KAISER HORDES WITH GERMANS. I GUESS SO MANY ETHNIC -- OTHER THAN THE ENGLISH SO GR ENCOUNTERED SIGNIFICANT OPPOSITION, DISCRIMINATION WHEN THEY APPROVED THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULDN'T BE TERRIBLY SURPRISED THAT HISPANIC IMMIGRANTS LEGAL OR NOT FACE SO ISSUES.

WELL,WE SEEM TO HAVE.

THE ISSUE US BY THE WAY MEANING CAUCASIAN THIRD, FOURTH, FIFTH GENERATION.

THE IRONY AND MAYBE THE CONSTITUTI AND DO THAT AND GET TO DUMP ON THE NEW IMMIGRANTS AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT IS GOING ON. AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE SOME OF THE HATE MAIL I HAVE GOTTEN LIKE 'MTHAT' NAME AND THE IRISH WERE NOT WELCOMED IN THIS SOCIETY IN THE 19TH CENTURY OR THE 20TH AND YOU AND I ARE CLOSE TO THE SAME MEM KENNEDY WAS ELECPRESIDENT AND WHAT A BREAKTHROUGH IT WAS FOR IRISH AMERICANS AND WE HAVE TWO GOVERNORS THAT ARE FROM ASIA, SECOND GENERATION ASIANS. SEEING HISPANICS MOVE INTO IMPORTANT POLITICAL OFFICES SO IT IT'S GOING TO PROTECT ANYTHING THE ASSIMILATION OF THE LATEST WAIVE OF IMMIGRANTS IS GOING TO BE FASTER THAN THE EASTERN AND OTHER IMMIGRANTS. THERE IS A REPORT PUT OUT BY THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER AND LOOKING AT SECOND ABELL, THEIR GRIPTS AND EDUCATION LEVELS, THE PROFESSION, THEIR INCOMES AND THEIR IDENTITY AND MANY VIEW THEMSELVES AS SIMPLY ANOR AND THEY'RE MARRYING IT'S A RATE MARRYING OUTSIDE THEIR GROUP SO WE ARE AT A TIME IN HISTORY THAT WE ARE PROFOUND CHANGE AND MANY AMERICANS ARE THREATENED BY IT, AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS LOOK TO OUR HISTORY TO FIND THAT WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. THIS IS THWE AR THE ENVY OF THE WORLD. FOR ONE REASON WE TAKE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD AND USE THE SKILLS AND TALENTS AND WE S PART OF US AND WE ARE SIMPLY CONTINUING THAT LONG TRADITION.

WELL, THAT TRADITION SEEMS TO BE CHALLENGED ON MANY FRONTS AND PERHAPS THE GENTLEMAN WHO NOW OCCUPIES THE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, A MAN OF COLOR WITH A MYSTERIOUS NAME INVOKED IN PEOPLE -- HE EMBODIES THE OTHER THAT SO MANY OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. WE DON'T UNDERSTAND. WE FEAR AND YOU'REE , I WOULD -- WE HAVE DONE THIS FOUR TIMES BEFORE. WE HAVE FOUR MAJOR WAVES OF IMMIGRATION AND WE'RE GETTING GOOD AT IT. LOOK AT LANGUAGE WHICH IS ONE R THE ANTI-IMMIGRATION GROUPS. COMPARE HISPANICS AND ASIANS TO ITALIANS AND GREEKS AND EASTERN EUROPEANS THEY'RE LEARNING SECOND GENE5% OF FASTER. IMMIGRANTS SPEAK ONLY ENGLISH OR ENGLISH WITH HIGH PROFICIENCY SO THE IDEA WE WILL HAVE TWO CULTURES AND ONE SPANISH OR CHINESE.  THE TRUTH BEING THE CAME FOR THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES HERE. THEY EMBRACE OUR VALUES AND GOING TO BE ASSIMILATED QUICKLY AND WE ARE REINVENTING IT MEANS TO IS THING. ONE THING I POINT OUT IN THE BOOK WE HAVE REMARKABLE GEOGRAPHY. OUR WEST COAST TIES US TO THE PACIFIC RIM ECONOMIES. WE HAVE THE HISTORICAL TIES TO ECONOMIC VALUE OF SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS THE LANGUAGE, HAS FAMILY AND KIN, TIES TO A COUNTRY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A ECONOMIC RELATIONSHIP AND WE CAN GO IN AND HAVE AN ADVANTAGE THAT THAT BUSINESS PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AND I VIEW THIS AS SOMETHING THAT ADDS TO THE SOCIETY.

THE BOOK IS RIGHT TO DREAM AND AUTHOR IS DR.BILL SCHWAB. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

YOU BET STEVE.

AND WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.

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