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Minority Matters April 2014

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This month we discuss the history of Sundown towns. We ask the questions of do they still exist and what is being done to change long held perceptions?

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WELCOME TO MINORITY MATTERS. I AM YOUR HOST, SYLVESTER SMITH AREA WAS THE SUN DOWNTOWN, THAT SAID MINOR TORS WERE NOT ALLOWED AFTER SUN SET. TODAY WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF SUN DOWN TOWN, FIND OUT IF THEY STILL EXIST. JOINING ME FOR THESE DISCUSSIONSIS MAYOR JEFF CROCKETT OF HARRISON, DOCTOR GUY LANCASTEREDITOR OF ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ARKANSAS HISTORY & CULTURE AND DUSHUN SCARBROUGH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF MARTIN LUTHER KI COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOR JOUS TODAY.

THANK YOU.

THISIS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC, OTHAT IF YOU GREW UP IN THE SOUTH IN THE TIME THAT I DID, YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH. I REMEMBER HEARING RE WAS CERTAIN PLACES IN ARKANSAS THAT YOU FRANKLY COULDN'T VISIT AND IFYOU WERE CAUGHT THERE WHEN THE N WENT DOWN YOU'RE GOING  GET HURT. I REALLY WANT TO HAVE A USSION ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANT, WHAT IT MEANS TODAY D IF THERE'S STILL TOWNS LIKE THIS IN AS. I WANT TO START WITH YOU, R. TELL US ABOUT THE RY OF

WELL, SUN DOWNTOWNS START EMERGING AT A TIME CALLED THE NADER OF RACE RELATIONS INFORM AMERICA AND THIS IS AFTER THE PROMISE OF RECONSTRUCTION PHASE. RECONSTRUCTION WAS REALLY REVOLUTION INRACE RELATIONS. SLAVES WERE FREED, THE POWER TO VOTE AND MANY ELECTED TO OUR OFFICE THROUGHOUT THE SOUTH AN NATION, BUT SLOWLY, YOU KNOW, THERE START TO BE PULLBACK FROM THAT. WHITE LEADER START DIMINISHING THEIR SUPPORT FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTS ACROSS BOARD AND YOU SEE RESERGEANT DEMOCRAIT POLITICS WHO ARE TRYING TO RECREATE THE CIVIL WAR. SUN DOWN    TOWNS ARE OFTEN PLACES THAT DO NOT HAVE A HIGH BLACK POPULATION BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR, PLACES LIKE -- LL, LIKE, THE UPLAND S OF ARKANSAS, THE OZARKS, ET CETERA, WHERE YOUDIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF Y BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T ISH YOUR LARGE SCALE COTTON PLANTAT. AND SO YOU SEE WHERE SUN N TOWNS START EMERGING SEEMS TO BE ALONG RAIL LINES ESPECIALLY, TOWNS RELATED TO EMERGING NEW SOUTH PERIOD, COAL MINING, THE TIMBER INDUSTRY AND YOU EVEN SEE SOME OF THIS VIOLENCE NEAR COMMUNITIES IN THE HEAST EARN ARKANSAS DELTA, PLACES THAT HADN'T BEEN DRAINED BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR, LOWLAND SWAMP AREAS THAT WERE JUST COMING ONLINE, JUST BEING DEVELOPED, JUST BECOMING A PART OF THE LARGER ECONOMY AND YOU SEE THIS  KIND OF  CLEANSING VIOLEN THROUGHOUT EVERY STATE, BUT NOT EVERY COMMUNITY BECOME A SUN DOWN  TOWN. ONE OF THE EARLIEST CASES I'VE EXPERIENCEDCURRED JUST NORTH OF HERE IN VAN BUREN COUNTY. A NAMED BURL  LINDSEY, WHO WAS A BLACK HOMEER, AND SOMEONE POSTED NOTICES ACROSS HIS PROPERTY WARNING HIM TO LEAVE. ONE OF THEM , "NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT I CERTIFY YOU, MR. NEGR,DEATH IS YOUR FORTUNE. YOU CAN'T LIVE ON THIS SIDE AND IS IS ALL YOU'RE GOING TO GET AND I 'T KNOW WHAT KIND THE NEXT WARNING WILL BE."  WHAT HAPPENED IN JANUARY OF 1883 TEN MASKED MEN CAME TO HIS HOUSE AND FIREDINTO IT WITH GUNS. THEGED TO FLEE OUT THE BACK DOOR AND WERE PURSUED AND IN THE ESS HE FIRED AND MANAGED TO KILL ONEOF THE ATTACKERS AND THEY -- THIS BLACK GROUP MECHANICED TO MA ITS WAY TO CONWAY ONFOOT THROUGH THE ANNK AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS INITIAL SOME SUPPORT FOR HIS CASE. THE LOCAL COURT ISSUED WARRANTS FOTHE ARREST OF HIS ATTACKERS, BUT BY THE FOLLOWING R HE WAS THE ONLY ONE IN JAIL,? IN IL FOR DEFENDING HLS HIMSELF FOR KILLING AWHITE MAN. THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THI FIND, BUT FROM THAT POINT ON, THE VIOLENCE JUST SORT OF

BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN  LINE -- THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING PIECE OF HISTORY THAT FRANKLY, I HAD NEVER HEARD, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS VIOLENCE. I'M GOING TO OPENIT UP NOW FOR EVERYONE. YOU HEARD ABTHE THREAT OF VIOLENCE AND THIS MAN WAS ATTACKED, BUT WHAT DID IT REALLY MEAN? WERE PEOPLE LYNCHED AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS? I MEAN, WHAT TYPE OF VIOLENCE ACTS WERE COMMITTED AGAINST THOSE WHO DIDN'T ADHERE TO WARNINGS?

RIGHT. THERE  SEVERAL MURDERS, ESPECIALLY AS FOLKS WERE BEING DRIVEN OUT OF INDUSTRIES. THERE WERE SOME MURDERS IN SOUTHERN ARKANSAS IN 1896 AS MASS LANTES ATTACKED BLACK ENCAMPMENTS TRYING TO DRIVE THEM OUT OF THEIR RAILROAD WORK.  BONANZA JUST SOUTH OF FORT SMITH IN 1904, THE TOWN ERUPTED IN A RACE WAR AS WHITES ARE ING TO DRIVE BACK MINOOUT OF THE COAL MINES AND WASN'T OF THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES SAID AS MANY AS FIVE SHOTS WERE FIRED IN THE NIGHT. AND THESE WERE NOT JUST TRANSIENT BLACK LABORERS. THERE'S MENTION OF FAMILIES, WOMEN AND CHILDREN WHO ARE -- YOU KNOW, THWAS THE POTENFOR EMERGENT BLACK MIDDLE CLASS THIS IS OFTEN HOW LE CLIMBED UP THE LADDER AND S BEING DESTROYED  BY BIT ALL ACROSS THE ST

AT WHAT POINT IN OUR ORY DID THESE TOWNS REALLY BECOME VEMINORITY IN THEIR NUMBER? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 1800'S. AT WHAT POINT DID WE GET TO A PLACE IN WHICH THERE WERE ONLY HANDFUL OF THEM?

I'M SURE WE'RE EVEN A THAT PLACE YET. I THINK THERE ARE MORE THAN PEOPLE REALIZE.TRE E MANY MORE S OUT THERE WITH A SIMILAR DYNAMIC TO HARRISON, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE OBNOXIOUS WHITE SUE PREMTISTS LIVING NEXT DOOR SO THEY'RE NOT CALLED TO TASK.

WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE MAYOR OF HARRISON HERE. IS YOUR COMMUNITY A SUN DOWN TOWN. ? ABSOLUTELY NOT. YEARS AGO, PROBABLY. AND Y HAD A AL CLEANSING BACK THERIN '05 AND '09 WHERE THEY DROVE ALL THE BLACKS OUT OF TOWN? WAIT, 2005?

NO. 1905. AND ALL THE NEWSPAPERS ENDING TO THAT EVENT ARE MISSING, ALL THE PROPERTY OWNED AREA GOT ASSUMED BY THE WHITE PE THAT WERE LEFT THERE. HOW THAT HAPPENED LEGALLY, WHO KNOWS. EVIDENTLY THERE WERE PEOPLE IN THE TY OFFICES AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT WER TRANSFERRING DEEDS THAT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY NO LONGER MAINTAINED OWNERSHIP THEY WERE GONE, AND FOR YEARS AFTER  I'VE HEARD THE STORIES -- I WASN'T IN HARRISON UNTIL 1990, BUT I'VE HEARD THE STORIES OF HARRISON BEING A SUN DOWN     TOWN PRIOR TO MY THERE.MORE THAN OTHER PEOPLE HAVE A VOCAL CLAN THERE OUTSIDE OF HARRISON IN ZINC ARKANSAS AND THEY GET A LOT OF MEDIA EXPOSURE. YOU KNOW, I WOULD DEBATE A THEY'RE JUST NOT AS VOCAL.R NSV

RIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF UNDERGROUND MALITIA.

YEAH, A LOT OF UNDERGROUND IN THE LITTLE COMMUNITIES AN T TATHWITH ANY N IT'S THAT WAY ALL OVER, BUT WE JUST GET IT A LITTLE BIT MORE NEGATIVE PUBLICITY THAN THOSE.

SPEAKING OF THE NEGATIVE PUBLICITY, I REMEMBER GROWING UP IN SOUTH IN THE MID '90S AND BEING TOLD BY A FRIENDS OF MINE WHO WORKED FOR A LARGE RETAIL CHAIN THAT SHE HAD GONE THERE TO OPEN A STORE AND WAS TOLD BY SOME OF HER WHIT ECDON'T WANT TO OFFEND YOU, BUT I RECOMMEND YOU GET A HOTEL ROOM OUTSIDE OF HERE IN MISSOURI AND SOON AS WE CLOSE THE DOOR WE'LL DRIVE YOU TO THE CITY LIMITS AND WITH YOU GO ON. WAS HARRISON REALLY THAT BE OR THIS A A PLACRE RUMOR FROM THE PAST.

IT WAS PRETTY MUCH RUMOR SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1990. I HAD A GOOD FRIENDS WHO DELIVERED PRODUCT TO ME IN A RETAIL STORE I OWNED UNTIL 2005, A BLACK GENTLEMAN FROM LITTLE ROCK. HE CAME BACK THROUGH HARRISON AND HE'D SPEND THE NIGHT IN HARRISON. BUT FOR THE TIME HE WAS MY DELIVERY DRIVER UP THERE, I ERTHD TO GET HIM TO TO HETO ARBY'S OR KENTUCKY FRIED OR MCDONALD'S AND GO TO THE HOTEL AND STAY THERE. HE WAS NOT COMFORTABLE IN GOING OUT IN HARRISON AT NIGHT BECAUSE OF WHAT HE'D HEARD. I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WOULD HAVE FELT COMFORTABLE ANYWHERE I WOULD HAVE TAKEN HIM, BUT IT WAS THAT PERCEPTION HE HAD IN HIS MIND THAT HE WASN'T GOING TO TAKE THE RISK, AND THAT'S THE KIND OF IMAGE WE'RE TRYING TO OVERCOME. AND NOT ONLY IS HARRISON, BUT WE  NEED TO CERTAINLY DOES HAVE AN IMPACT. WE WERE TALKING BEFORE WE START SHOOTING, THE IMPACT ON TOURISM AS A STATE AS A WHOLE, THE IMPACT ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR STATE, BUT SEEMS AS IF THE TIMES ARE HANGING, OR ATLEI REPORTING. I WANT TO THANK DUSHUN SCARBROUGH FOR WHAT HE'S DOING TO ENHANCE THE IMAGE OF THE AREA. YOU SPENT THE WEEKEND IN HARRISON.

IT'S FUNNY. I'M UP THERE ALL THE TIME. WHAT, SYLVESTER SMITH, I REALLY HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU TO MENTORS LIKE MYSELF. WHEN I FIRST CAME INTO OFFICE YOU SAT DOWN WITH ME AND MANY TIMES YOU TOLD ME HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS JOB IS GOING TO BE TOUGH AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO OME SOME  OUT THERE. BY CHANCE SINCE WE KIND OF MERGED TOGETHER AS RSGAN NON VIOLENCE YOUTH SUMMITS IN THAT AREA, SPONSORED BY THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ARKANSAS HISTORY & CULTURE AND DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SYLVESTER SMITHS  SERVICES AND I WAS TRULY AMAZED TO HEAR A LOT OF TY SOMETIME PRIOR TO US GETTING TOGETHER, MAYOR, YOU KNOW I WAS LIVING IN FLORIDA. COMING BACK FROM LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS, YOU HEAR THE RUMORS, BUT I NEVER TOOK THAT TO HEART. I GRANDMOTHER, YOU HEAR THOSE THINGS, BUT DON'T TAKE HEED TO IT. MY FIRST FOCAL POINT WAS HEY, AS A STATE LEADER AND AS A TAXPAYER -- IF I'M PAYING TAXES HERE IN THE STATE, YOU TELLING MINUTE, HOLD ON.RI AS A STATE LEADER IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE FELT -- MAYOR CROCKETT AND I -- THAT THE MARTIN LUTHER KING COMMISSION AND THE CITY OF HARRISON REALLY WANT TODAY HA TA IMAGE. REALIZING THERE WAS ONE GENTLEMAN WHO STOOD 12 MILES OUTSIDE IN ZINC ARKANSAS WHO WAS VOCAL ABOUT THE LANCASTER, BUT HE'S VOCAL ABOUT HIS VIEWPOINTS AND HE HAS SPIRIT TO AND THAT ENTIRE CITY DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY. YOU KNOW, IT JUST KIND OF SPOKE VOLUMES OF THE DIRECTION OF MAYOR CROCKETT IS PUSHING THE EFFORTS OF CITY HAIR HAIR ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DO WHEN I GET TO TOWN IS GO TO WALMART. WALMART'S -- THAT'S HOW YOU GOING TO SEE EVERYBODY AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO FEEL A WAY ABOUT YOU, IT'S GOING TO COME OUT IN WALMART. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE I'VE FELT WELCOME, MUCH LIKE YOURSELF, SYLVESTER. HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY THERE OVERNIGHT AND MANY WEEKENDS, I HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM, NOR DO I SEE A LOT OF SPOKE OF. IT'S MAINLY INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN VOICING THEIR OPINION FROM THAT DIRECTION IN ZINC. I'M SURE -- I RECEIVED A LOT OF LOOKS GOING THROUGH WALMART, D,I'M AFRICAN AMERICAN MALE COMING THROUGH THERE AND THERE AREN'T MANY THERE, BUT GENUINELY, I FELT THAT THE INDIVIDUALS' HANDSHAKES AND WELCOMING S E SUINE AND I HAVEN'T HAD

I WANT TO COMMEND YOU BECAUSE I SERVED ON THE BOARD FOR THE MARTIN LUTHER KING COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY AND I ALWAYS FELT THE COMMISSION WASN'T LIVING UP TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL, BUT YOU'VE TAKEN IT HIGHER THAN I CAN IMAI IT AS A AGENCY OR TOURISM AGENCY, BUT THE WORK YOU'RE DOING WITH THE MAYOR IN HARRISON IS DOING WONDERS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. DOCK, YOU MENTIONED THERE ARE ARKANSAS AND YOU SAIF I ASKED YOU WHEN DID THE DAY COME WHEN THERE WAS ONLY A SMALL SECT OF THESE  COMMUNITIES, YOU WOULD YOU SAY OUR ?COME.Y TH

I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN GIVE AN ESTIMATION. WE HAVE A DIRECTORY ON IF YOU LISTS 50 OR SO. SOME OF THESE ARE MOVING INTO THE FORMER SUN DOWN   TOWNS AREA, YOU KNOW, LIKE HARRISON. SOME OF ERUMORED KNOW, BUT I BELIEVE SOME ARE STILL VERY ACTIVE.

SO YOU'RE SG, JUST FOR POINT OF CLARITY, THIN YOUR OPINION, THERE ARE STILL COMMUNITIES IN ARKANSAS WHERE IT WOULD NOT BE SAFE FOR DUSHUN AND I TO SPEND THE NIGHT.Y,OB AND THERE HAVE BEEN CASES OF HARASSMENT, YOU KNOW, REPORTED THAT MADE THE NEWS LATELY. REMEMBER WHEN THE TORNADOS WENT THROUGH MOUNTAIN VIEW, FEER WAS HARASSED THERE, OR A BLACK LINEMAN WAS VERBALLY ASSAULTED IN MADISON COUNTY REPAIRING THE LINES. YOU GET SOME OF THESE PLACES WHERE DON'T THINK YOU'D BE IN MORTAL DANGER, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE YELLED AT OR --

SO NOW IT SEEMS, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU, IT'S MORE OF A POINT OF HARASSMENT THAN PHYSICAL HARM?  RIGHT, INTIMIDA.

DUSHUN, IT'S YOUR MISSION TO HELP BRING THE STATE FORWARD. WHAT DO WE DO TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM?

YOU KNOW, WHEN I HEAR SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, IT'S MUCH LIKE JEFF AND I TALK ABOUT. WORKGE HAOF IT'S VERBAL INTIMID. IF YOU STUDY THE KKK, MOST OF THEIR TACTICS ARE INTIMIDATION TACTICS, TO TALK AND TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. IF SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO DO SOMEBODY, THEY WOULDN'T TELL YOU, THEY'D DO IT.ARUNS FOLK AW AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DEPENDING ON, FOR THE MAINFRAME TO BE THAT IDEOLOGY IN WHICH THEY'RE SPEAKING AND TALKING LOUDLY OF AND WANTING EVERYBODY TO RUN ES CANLATION. ESCALATION. THE TACTICS WORK IN YOU ADHERE TO THEM. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IS TO ALLEVIATE THAT OR A WAY TO ALLEVIATE THAT IS NOT TO BUY INTO INDIVIDUALS CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT AND IT'S KIND OF LEANING ALONG THE LINE OF BULLYING AND HARASSMENT, BUT IF YOU ADHERE TO THAT OR THE RUMORS, THAT'S REALLY WHAT GETS EVERYONE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST A MASS AMOUNT THAT HOVERS OVER CERTAIN TOWNS AND WHAT YOU HEAR. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, A LOT OF FOLK TALKED ABOUT HARRISON, BUT THERE WERE OTHER CITIES, AS DOCTOR KA LANCASTER PUT IT,  PROBLEMS FROM THAT WERE CLOSER TO LITTLE ROCK, AS OPPOSED TO HARRISON. AND HAVEN'T, AS A COMMUNITY, DONE MUCH ABOUT THAT. PART OF WHAT I TRY TO DO WITH COMMISSION, WE'RE LOOKINGAT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND HOW IT EFFECTS OUR STATE. INDIVIDUALS LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE AND WANTED TO PLACE A BUSINESS HERE OR CREATE  JOBS AND IT HINDERS GROWTH BY TIACE IF WE DON'T STAND AGAINST IT WE'RE PRETTY MUCH JUST GOING TO FALL FOR ANYTHING. AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE IDEA OF US TRYING TO MAKE NON VIOLENT MOVEMENT THROUGH OUR YOUTHTUT OF THE AMBASSADORS ARE SE IN THEIR WAYS AND THEY'RE GROWN AND 30 AND 40 YEARS OLD YOU REALLY CAN'T CHANGE THEIR MINDSET. BUT THE CONSENSUS IS CLEAR WHEN YOU TALK TO THE YOUTH AND TRY TO CHANGE THAT PROMOTE POSITIVE IMAGE CHANGE ABOUT OTHER RACES IN THEIR MINDS, YOU CAN BRIDGE THAT GAP AND ALLOW THAT TO BE A BETTER RELATIONSHIP.

YOU TALKED ABOUT PROGRESS AND I KNOW THAT  HISTORICALLY THE PATH OF PROGRESS CAN BE FUL. MARY, YOU'RE TRYING TO BRING PROGRESS IN YOUR JOURNEY AND I KNOW SOME HAVE THREATENED YOU . DO YOU THINK YOU'LL PAY THE PRICE, OR DO YOU THINK THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE SUPPORT YOUR EFFORTS?

INE VAST SUPPORT MY EFFORTS. WHETHER I GET REELECTED OR NOT DOES NOT STOP ME FROM WANTING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. IT HAS TO HAPPEN NOW. AS CHILDREN GROW UP  THEY LEARN THESE THINGS AND WE HAVE  SPEAK FIRST SPEAKERS STOOD UP THERE AND TALKED ABOUT HOW HIS 90-YEAR-OLD MOTHER TALKED ABOUT HOW HE SHOULD NOT GO TO HARRISON, ARKANSAS. HE CAME, HE SPENT THE NIGHT THERE THAT NIGHT L ROOM, HE CALLED AND WAS TALKING TO HIS 16-YEAR-OLD SON AND HIS SON ASKED WHAT HE WAS DOING AND HE SAID HE WAS GETTING READY TO SPEND THE NIGHT IN HARRISON, ARKANSAS. HIS SON SAID THAT'S GOOD, DAD. THAT'S THE KIND THEY HERWISE THROUGH THE YEARS AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO STOP. WE HAVE TO STOP EDUCATING OUR YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE WRONG WAY.

I CAN SAY, I'VE VISITED HARRISON AS PART OF THE LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM HERE IN ARKANSAS.  INYOUR RESTAURANTS, MET WITH COMMUNITY LEADERS, I MET THE HIGHEST OF THE HIGH AND LOWEST OF THE LOW. I SPENT TIME VISITING THE COUNTY JAIL, NOT BECAUSE I WAS UNDER ARREST, BUT AS PART OF A TOUR, AND NOT EVEN THE INMATES IN  MEWITH T OR HARASSED ME OR STARED AT ME IN ANY WAY, SHAPE FORM OR FASHION. SO IT SEEMS TO ME AS IT RELATES TO HARRISON, THAT THE RHETORIC DOES NOT GEL WITH THE REALITY, E  LEAST NOT DUE TO THE QUESTION, I GUESS THAT I POSE TO YOU AS WE GET READY TO WRAP UP, IS WHAT DO WE NEED TO CHALLENGE OUR FELLOW ARKANSAS CITIZENS TO DO TO MAKE SURE THESE OTHER  PLFOR DUSHUN AND I TO VISIT AS HARRISON IS.

ONE THING WE NEED TO DO IS ASK THOSE INDIVIDUALS GIVING THE RUMORS -- ASK THEM IS THAT THEIR EXPERIENCE. YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES THEY'RE GOING BY WHAT THEY ANHAGAIN, 'S INTIMIDATION TACTIC. SOMETIMES THAT CAN JUST SCARE AN INDIVIDUAL AWAY BASED OFF I'VE HEARD THIS. FOR ME TO SAY, SYLVESTER, HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED IT YOURSELF AND YOU AND I HAD TALKED BEFORE AND U ERFUL TIME. I TOLD I MET WITH COMMUNITY LEADERS AND THE MAYOR WAS A GREAT GUY. WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK POSITIVE AND IT OVERCAME PRETTY MUCH ALL THE NEGATIVITY THAT WAS COMING OUT. HAD SOME CHALLENGES AND I COMMEND MAYOR CROCKETT FOR STANDING UP WANDING  WANTING TO CHANGE THAT IMAGE AND OVERCOMING OBSTACLES IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS I'VE KNOWN HIM. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THREATENING HIS ELECTION. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO, IS CHALLENGE INDIVIDUALS JUST TO GO THROUGH HARRISON. I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND PEOPLE TELL ME THEY TAKE A ROUTE AROUND HAR THATST SILLY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU NEVER EXPERIENCED, BUT JUST HEARD THOSE RUMORS AND YOU NEVER QUESTION WHAT YOU HEAR IT FROM. IT'S JUST RUMORS THAT ARE OUT THERE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE INDIVIDUALS -- I DARE TO SAY, T FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THE CITY'S LIKE, TO SEE THE GENUINE, THE HEART OF THE MAYOR AND HOW HE'S  WELCOMING INDIVIDUALS TO COME TO HIS CITY AND GET TO LEARN THE HEART OF THE PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE JUSD AS I SAY, THROWING ROCKS OUT OF THEIR HANDS WHO LIVE OUTSIDE OF HARRISON, ARKANSAS.

I THINK THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ARKANSAS HAVE TO START PEEKING OUT. ING SPEAKING OUT. THE HATE GROUPS ARE SMALL, BUT VERY VOCAL.A LONG TIME AND THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ARKANSAS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK YOU IGNORE IT AND IT GOES AWAY. IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY, BUT WE HAVE TO GET THE VOICE OF THE MAJORITY AND GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE STINL COMMUNITIES ARE ABOUT A WHOLE AND THAT THESE PEOPLE AREN'T SPEAKING FOR US.

DOC, YOU STUDIED THIS A LONG TIME. I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE FINAL WORDS. YOU GOT 30 SECONDS.

I'LL GIVE THE HISTORIAN'S ANSWER, LEARN.IHARRISON STARTED CHANGING IN 1999 WHEN THERE WAS PUBLISHED IN THE ARKANSAS HISTORICAL QUARTERLY ON THE HARRISON RACE RIOTS. SO THAT EXPOSURE OF HARRISON'S PAST REALLY MOTIVATED IT TO CONSIDER ITS FUTURE AND THR WON. I THINK WE NEED TO EXPOSE MORE OF THAT, UNCOVER THE RECORD IN OUR STALT'S HISTORY AND THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ARKANSAS HISTORY & CULTURE HAS MANY ON THIS SUBJECT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MANY MORE. K TIME AND TO YOU AUDIENCE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. I KNOW THAT IN HARRISON, THE MARTIN LUTHER KING COMMISSION AND THE MAYOR BURIED RACISM, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE WORK TO DO BEFORE WE CAN WRITE THE EULOT. THANK YOU FOR N THAT, WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH. [MUSIC]

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