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Minority Matters June 2014

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Sports in the lives of Arkansans.

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HELLO AND WELCOME TO "MINORITY MATTERS". I AM YOUR HOST SYLVESTER SMITH. SPORTS PLAY A HUGE ROLE IN MANY PEOPLE IN THE STATE AND BEYOND. THIS WILL DISCUSS SPORTS AND WHAT IT CAN BE AND CAN'T DO FOR KIDS AND ADULTS AND GUIDING CHILDREN AND HAVING A BACKUP PLAN. SPORTS PLAYS A PART IN OUR PANELISTS' LIVES AND LOOK FORWARD TO LEARNING ABOUT THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. JOINING ME IS CELIA ANDERSON, AUTHOR AND DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL ACCOUNTS AND H ISAAC DAVIS FROM THE LITTLE ROCK SCHOOL DISTRICT AND A FORMER FOOTBALL PLAYER AND KEITH JACKSON FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF P.A.R.K. AND WAS A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYER AND MY FAVORITE ONE SO I AM HONORED TO HERE WITH THIS ESTEEMED PANEL. NOW WE TALK ABOUT SPORTS AND SPORTS DOMINATES MY LIFE EVEN THOUGH I WAS A HALFWAY AGHTD LEAST YEARS AGO. MY WIFE COMPLAINS BECAUSE MY DAY BEGINS AND ENDS WITH SPORTS CENTER BUT THE GOAL IS TO BA I CHAMPION AND YOU HAVE ALL BEEN BUT ONLY ONE BROUGHT THE RING. NOW YOU HAVE TO SHOW UP THE RING TO THE CAMERA, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT ALL OF US ATHLETES FOR TO BE CHAMPIONS SO LET'S TALK ABOUT SPORTS. WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF SPORTS TO YOUNG PEOPLE ESPECIALLY? I THROW THIS OUT TO THE PANEL FOR SOMEONE TO GET US STARTED.

WELL, SPEAKING FOR ME SPORTS BENEFITED ME GREATLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT PROVIDED ME WITH A FREE EDUCATION. IT PROVIDED ME WITH OPPORTUNITIES TO TRAVEL AND SEE PLACES I WOULD OTHERWISE WOOPTD HAVE NEVER SEEN. IT ALLOWED NEE TO HAVE A PLATFORM IN REGARD TO WHAT I DO NOW WHICH IS BEING A TEACHER. COUNTLESS STUDENTS OF MINE -- THEY EAT UP THE FACT THAT I PLAYED PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL AND ONCE I GET THAT PART OF THEIR EAR, IF YOU WILL, THEN THE HOOK IS PRETTY MUCH SET. I CAN GUIDE THEM IN AND DIRECT THEM WHERE I SEE FIT.

WHEN THE HEAR HIM TALK THE FIRST THING HE SAID "HELP ME GET AN EDUCATION." I THINK MORE KIDS NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACT IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET A BETTER EDUCATION AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT BECOME PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MANY. WHEN WE ALL GREW UP OUR PARENTS TOLD US YOU'RE GOING TO SCHOOL TO GET AN EDUCATION AND ETHLETTICS WAS PART IT BUT WE WERE GOING TO GET A JOB AND WE PLAYED WELL SO GO TO THE PROS. .

AND TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER IT'S A TRAINING GROUND AND I LEARNED TO WORK WITH PEOPLE THAT I DIDN'T NECESSARILY LIKE AND I LIKED TO GO TO PRACTICE EVEN WHEN I DIDN'T WANT TO GO TO PRACTICE. OFTENTIMES THEY SAY SPORTS ARE GOOD TO KEEP THE KIDS OFF THE STREET. I THINK THAT'S A MISSTATEMENT. SPORTS ARE GOOD BECAUSE IT'S A TEMPORARY FIX BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TEACH THEM WHEN THEY GET THERE? ARE YOU GOING TO ADEQUATELY PREPARE THEM BECAUSE AT SOME TIMES IT COMES TO AN END. NO ONE PLAYS SPORTS FOREVER.

ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS AND ISAAC YOU BEGAN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS WITH EDUCATION AND KEITH CONTINUED IT AND YOU CEILA YOU ENDED YOUR STATEMENT WITH THE OPPORTUNITIES CAN IT PROVIDE BUT LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION WHAT IT'S REALLY WORTH BECAUSE WE READ THE ALLEGATIONS THAT CAME OUT WITH REGARD TO NORTH CAROLINA COLLEGE BASKETBALL PROGRAM AND ONE OF THE FORMER PLAYERS ALLEGE TODAY WAS JUST A SHELL GAME. THAT I WASN'T REQUIRED TO GO TO CLASS. THEY ARRANGED THINGS FOR ME WHERE I COULD TAKE A TAKE A CLASS AND SWOP THE "A" FOR THE "F" GRADE AND I AM NOT ASKING TO MY NAME ISES BUT BASED ON YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND HEAR FROM OTHERS HOW MUCH IS ACCURATE? ARE THESE KIDS REALLY GETTING A QUALITY EDUCATION?

I THINK THE ONES THAT WANT A QUALITY EDUCATION. YOU CAN ONLY BE A VICTIM OF THE SYSTEM IF YOU ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE THAT. I HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE AND I THINK THAT WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION ON MY PART, SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST GOING TO A SCHOOL AND SAYING HEY NOW IT'S YOUR TIME TO EDUCATE ME. YOU HAVE TO SEEK THE EDUCATION YOURSELF.

WHEN YOU HEAR THE STORIES AND NORTH CAROLINA AND DEXER MANLY AND SAID HE COULDN'T READ AND GET THROUGH COLLEGE AND THOSE ARE SHOCKING STORIES AND ON THE CAMPUS WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WENT ON. WE WENT TO CLASS. IN FACT WE HAD A CLASS CHECKING TO SEE IF YOU WERE IN CLASS AND IF YOU WEREN'T IN CLASS THERE WAS A PUNISHMENT FOR THAT. WE HAD TUTORS IF YOU WERE STRUGGLING ACADEMICALLY AND WHEN YOU HEAR THOSE STORIES IT'S SHOCKING AND WE HOPE PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE A STAMPED DEGREE AND WORKED TIRELESSLY TO ACHIEVE IT.

ONE THING I TAKE A ABOUT FROM THEM NOT ONLY DID WE HAVE PEOPLE CHECKING WE WERE IN CLASS I WENT TO CLASS BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN ME TO BE SLACK OR SLOTHFUL AND I WOULDN'T GO BACK TO JOHN DAVIS -- [LAUGHTER] -- [INAUDIBLE] THERE WAS NO UNDERSTANDING FOR THAT SO MY BIGGEST THING I HAD IT INSTILLED IN ME TO ALWAYS PUT MY BEST FOOT FORWARD AND IN EVERYTHING DO YOUR BEST, BUT AS HE WAS SAYING MAN WHEN YOU ARE THERE FOR THE RIGHT REASON AND FOR THE RIGHT FOCUS THEN GOING TO CLASS IS NOT A PROBLEM.

I MEAN THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO WILL TRY TO BUCK THE SYSTEM, SO TO SPEAK, AND TRY TO JUST SKATE BY SO THEY COULD PLAY THE SPORT BUT THOSE PEOPLE WERE NEVER GETTING AN EDUCATION IN THE FIRST PLACE AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN BLAME THAT ON THE SYSTEM.

THE THING THAT YOU SAID EARLIER YOU CHOOSE TO LET YOURSELF TO YOURSELF TO BE VICTIMIZED AND THE SCHOOLS ARE NOT THE VICTIM BECAUSE OF THE MONEY AND THE ATHLETE THEY CAN'T CLAIM THEY'RE THE VICTIM BECAUSE IF THERE IS A SCHEME THEY'RE A WILLING PARTICIPATE IN IT.

I WAS LISTENING TO SHANNON SHARP AND WITH THE GREENBAY PACKERS AND I HAD TO THROW THEM OUT THERE AND I WAS LISTENING TO KIDS AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE COLLEGE THE UNIVERSITY IS USING TO YOU MAKE MONEY, TO GET SOME FAME. THEY'RE USING YOUR NAME. THEY'RE USING YOU. IT'S UP TO YOU TO USE THEM AND HE WAS TALKING AT SOUTH CAROLINA NOT ONLY HE USED IT FOR 1 DEGREE BUT 2-DEGREES. THIS GUY WAS DRAFTED IN THE FIRST ROUND. A LOT OF STORIES OUT THERE. THEY REALIZE THAT. I INTERVIEWED DREE BRAES AND INTELLIGENT AND GRADUATED FROM PERDUE AND WHEN THE TV COMES ON AND TALKING ABOUT THE ONE OR TWO KIDS THAT ARE DOING IT WRONG.

ABSOLUTELY.

THAT IN OF ITSELF -- I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE -- I GUESS PEOPLE HAVE A DESIRE TO HEAR SOMETHING NEGATIVE FOR THE SAKE OF RATINGS, THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER, BUT YOU HAVE TOO MANY SUCCESS STORIES AND WE ARE THREE OF THE MANY, OF THE MILLIONS THAT COME THROUGH THE DECADES, BUT YOU KNOW YOU SAID WHAT'S THE VICTIM? I SAID TO ME THAT PERSON'S BASICALLY SLICING THEIR OWN THROAT BECAUSE AS HE SAID, AND I NOW HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND SPEAK WITH THE RAZORBACKS AND OTHER TEAMS, I FEEL TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT COLLEGIATE SPORTS ARE COMPARABLE TO WHAT IS CONSIDERED AS THE OLDEST PROFESSION -- [LAUGHTER] , AND I SAY THAT SERIOUSLY BECAUSE LIKE HE SAID WE GENERATED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR -- WE GENERATED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EACH AND EVERY SATURDAY, CONCESSION SALES, TICKET SALES, JERSEYS, THIS AND THE OTHER --

AND THE PEOPLE THAT PARK --

RIGHT AND WHAT WE SAW IN THE 90'S WAS A 50-DOLLAR CHECK EVERY WEEK -- EVERY MONTH JUST TO WASH YOUR CLOTHES AND DO THINGS ON SUNDAY. FIFTY BUCKS AND I AM OUT HERE -- I RAN INTO BRICK WALL. KEITH HAD THE MORE ILLUSTIOUS CAREER AND A TIDE END AND THE OFFENSIVE LINEMAN AND THE ONLY TIME WE SHINE IS WHEN WE JUMP OFF SIDES OR HOLD AND WE MAY BLOCK 20 BLOCKS THROUGHOUT THE GAME.

BIG BROTHER NCAA IS WATCHING. NO QUESTION. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THE NCAA AND THERE ARE THINGS THEY DO RIGHT AND THEY'RE MANAGING AND THE KIDS ARE GRADUATING AND ON TRACK TO GRATE AND NOSY IN HIGH SCHOOL. YOU NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF REQUIREMENTS SO THEY'RE TRYING TO STOP THAT ON THE EARLIER LEVEL BECAUSE THEY SEE IT HAPPENING.

WHAT ABOUT THE CONCEPT -- I APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU PUT THAT. YOU'RE VERY COLORFUL WITH THE ILLUSTRATION, BUT SHOULD COLLEGE ATHLETES BE PAID? I THINK THAT IS THE QUESTION OF THE DAY AND YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS. IT'S A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS --

[INAUDIBLE]

AND AREN'T GETTING FEEDING AT THE TROUGH SO IS THAT THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP?

THAT'S A LONG SUBJECT AND TO ME THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES BUT THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO DO IT. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT FOOTBALL -- OF COURSE IT MAKES THE MOST MONEY AND BASKETBALL MAKES MONEY BUT THERE ARE SPORTS THAT DON'T MAKE MONEY AND YOU DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE THOSE KIDS. THE FOOTBALL PLAYER CAN SAY WE BROUGHT HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS AND WE NEED TO BE PAID AND OTHER KIZ NEED TO BE PAID TO AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE AS NEEDED BASIS AND THE VOLLEYBALL PLAYER OR THE TRACK AND THESE READ KIDS THAT NEED T I COULDN'T GET FREE AND REDUCED LUNCH BECAUSE MY MOM MADE TOO MONEY.

[INAUDIBLE]

WE UNDERSTOOD THAT. I THINK THE NCAA SHOULD LOOK AT THAT AND DO IT ON A NEEDS BASIS ACROSS THE BOARD.

THERE IS -- GO AHEAD.

I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE THAT SPORTS SHOULD BE A PART OF COLLEGE AT ALL. IT'S A OXY MORAN AND SOMEBODY IN SCIENCE TO BE GOOD THEY HAVE TO PLAY FOOT FOO. I THINK IT SHOULD BE A AMATEUR LEAGUE AND TRAIN THEM FOR THE NEXT LEVEL AND TAKE COLLEGE COURSES IF THEY CAN AND THE SYSTEM IS WHAT IT IS AND IT'S NOT CHANGING SOON AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND DEBATE IT UNTIL THE END OF THE DAY AND IN THE END IT'S STILL THE NCAA AND YOU CAN MAKE THE BEST OF THE SITUATION IF YOU WANT TO.

GO AHEAD.

I DISAGREE CEILA. I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE AND I BELIEVE THE MARKETPLACE IS GOING TO FORCE IT TO CHANGE WITH THE CONCEPT THE BASKETBALL KIDS AND THE ONE AND DONE THINGS AND BASKETBALL LOSING THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST AND MARKETABLE PLAYERS YEAR AFTER YEAR AND THE LITIGATION AND WE SAW THE LITIGATION IN MICHIGAN AND WE'RE GOING TO UNIONIZE AND I HAVE MY OWN THOUGHTS ABOUT UNIONS AND NOBODY IS PAYING ME A PENNY FOR MY THOUGHTS BUT THOSE KIDS MADE A LOGICAL ARGUMENT TO THE FACT THEY'RE EMPLOYEES AND I THINK THE SYSTEM IS ANTIQUATED AND THERE HAS TO BE A SOLUTION BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES TO YOUR PROPOSAL KEITH IS TITLE NINE THAT WHAT IS OFFERED TO THE MALE ATHLETES IS OFFERED TO THE FEMALE AND I GUESS IS FAIR FOR THEM TO GET MORE. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FAIR OR NOT BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE DON'T GENERATE THAT TYPE OF REVENUE SO YOU WOULD RUN INTO THOSE ISSUES AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING CHANGING.

LIKE KEITH WAS SAYING IT SHOULD BE ON A NEEDS BASIS. THINKING BACK IN RETRO SPEAK SPECK WE PLAYED WITH GUYS -- YOU PLAYS WITH GIRLS -- WE DIDN'T MISS A MEAL AND I DIDN'T GET IT BECAUSE OF INCOME BUT WE DID HAVE GUYS THERE IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIP THERE IS NO WAY THEY COULD HAVE PROVIDED FOR THEMSELVES, AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND I AM TALKING ABOUT WITH MY LIMITED FUNDS -- I GAVE UP COUNTLESS 10 -- NO MORE THAN 10. [LAUGHTER] . GIVE MORE THAN 10 BUCKS IF HE HAD NO MONEY TO EAT SO SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.

CLEARLY SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. I HAVE HEARD SOMEONE OF YEARS SAYING IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE MVP OF THE FINAL FOUR THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I COULDN'T EAT THAT I WENT HUNGRY AT NIGHT.

THAT'S THE TRUTH.

YET THE SCHOOL IN THE SYSTEM IS MAKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. ONE THINGS HAS TO CHANGE. ONE THING THEY'RE DOING TO CHANGE IS CONCEPT OF ONE AND DONE AND WHAT DO YOU THINK AND SHOULD THE KIDS DO THAT OR STAY IN SCHOOL?

I THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN EVALUATION DONE BEFORE THEY SAY THEY'RE ONE AND DONE. IF YOU CAN EVALUATE -- IF I AM 18 YEARS OLD AND KOBE BRYANT AND I AM READY TO PLAY IN THE NBA AND THERE ARE SOME LIKE THAT AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT AREN'T READY TO G I THINK YOU SHOULD GO TO THE HIGHER LEVEL AND THE NBA OR THE NFL AND LET THEM EVALUATE YOU AND HERE YOU ARE READY AND WE EVALUATE YOU HERE AND THEN THEY COULD GO. YOU CAN'T STOP SOMEBODY FROM MAKING MONEY. THAT'S THE MARKET WE LIVE IN. THIS IS AMERICA AND YOU HAVE GUYS THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE BECAUSE THEY'RE THAT GIFTED. YOU CAN BE A MUSICIAN AT 12 YEARS OLD MAKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. IF THEY'RE ABLE TO DO IT LET THEM GO.

HERE LIES THE PROBLEM AND YOU KNOW IT AS WELL AS I DO YOU HAVE THESE GUYS -- I STAYED FOUR YEARS IN COLLEGE AND DRAFTED AND THAT WAS AT 21, 22 YEARS OLD, AND I DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE THEN, BUT THEN YOU GOT THESE GUYS 17, 18 AND THEY ARE GETTING THESE UNGODLY -- I WISH I WAS BORN 20 YEARS LATER [INAUDIBLE] BUT THEY'RE MAKING GOOD MONEY BUT THESE GUYS ARE NOT MAKING SOUND FINANCIAL BUSINESS DECISIONS.

YOU COULD BE 30, 40 AND MAKE BAD BUSINESS DECISIONS.

YEAH, WHAT I SAID IS IF THEY DO THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF COUNSELING. THEY NEED SOME TYPE OF STRUCTURE SET UP TO WHERE --

YOU'RE RIGHT.

AND THESE GUYS ARE NOT WASTING THE MONEY AND SETTING THEM UP. WHO IS GOING TO SAY YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY FOREVER? WHO IS TO SAY YOU MIGHT NOT TWIST A KNEE.

THEY AREN'T GOING TO PLAY FOREVER.

YEAH BUT THAT'S HOW YOU'RE THINKING AS A YOUNG MAN AND I CAN RUN UP AGAINST THIS BRICK WALL EVERYDAY BUT THE REALITY NOW THAT I AM 41, 42 -- I WOULD GIVE MONEY BACK NOT TO PLAY FOOTBALL. IT'S TRADITIONAL.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SONS OR NOT, BUT DID YOU OR WOULD YOU ALLOW YOUR SON TO PLAY FOOTBALL KNOWING EVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW NOW ABOUT CONCUSSIONS AND BRAIN INJURIES AND THINGS?

WE BOTH HAVE SONS AND GETTING OFFERS FOR COLLEGE AND YOU'RE PROUD OF IT BUT YOU CAN TELL YOUR SON FORGET ABOUT IT BUT THEY WANT TO PLAY. THEY HAVE BEEN THAT ARENA AND AROUND IT. YOU CAN LOCK THEM IN THE ROOM AND THEY WILL SNEAK OUT TO GET TO THE GAMES. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO STOP.

I WOULDN'T TELL HIM NO. I WOULD DEFINITELY TELL HIM THE REPERCUSSIONS OF IT AND WHAT I AM DEALING WITH IT AND HE'S PART OF YOU.

YES.

AND YOU CAN TELL HIM WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I THINK SAFETY WISE THE EQUIPMENT NOW DAYS HAS COME LEAPS AND BOUNDS BEYOND WHAT WE HAD AND WHAT WE HAD WAS CONSIDERED TOPNOTCH THEN. THE CONCESSION ISSUE, THE SITUATION GOING ON WITH THE BRAIN AND THE DEMENTIA CASES AND GUYS KILLING THEMSELVES -- YEAH, THAT'S THE UGLY SIDE OF FOOTBALL AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF YOU PLAY LONG ENOUGH.

I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A SON. I HAVE A DAUGHTER BUT IF I DID I WOULD ALLOW HIM TO PLAY BUT AFTER A CERTAIN AGE. I THINK FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT YOUR BRAIN IS STILL DEVELOPING. IT'S JUST TOO EARLY TO BE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

LET'S TALK -- WE HAD A FABULOUS CONVERSATION THUS FAR AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT WE'RE 2/3 OF THE WAY THROUGH THE TIME.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

WHEN THE SHOW GOES LIKE THIS IT SEEMS TO SPEED BY BUT WE TALKED ABOUT COLLEGE AND PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES BUT THE TRUTH IS THE VAST MAJORITY KIDS THAT PLAY SPORTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE LIKE YOU. THEY'RE GOING BE LIKE ME AND PLAY IN JUNIOR HIGH AND HIGH SCHOOL AND THAT'S IT. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU SEE IS THE VALUE OF SPORTS TO THOSE PEOPLE? CEILA YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SPORTS BUILDING POWER IN PEOPLE. I NEVER PLAYED BEYOND JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL BUT IT HELPED ME WITH THE MENTORSHIP OF THE COACHING AND IN THE BOYS CLUB AND THE SPIRIT OF COMRADERIE AND I REMEMBER BEING ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND DOING THE HEAD DRILLS WHERE YOU HIT THE MACHINE AND THE COACH WOULD SAY "DON'T QUIT, DON'T QUIT" AND I LOOK AT THAT MENTALITY THAT I HAVE NOW I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUITTING IN ME BUT IT'S LOOK AT THE BENEFITS THAT EVERY PARENT CONSIDERS THE NEGATIVES WHAT ARE THE POSITIVES THEY SHOULD LOOK AT FOR THEIR CHILDREN?

FOOTBALL MIRRORS LIFE AND YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT FOOTBALL OR SPORTS PERIOD YOU TALK ABOUT A COACH NOT LETTING YOU QUIT OR TRAINING. THERE SAY DIFFERENCE WITH WORKING OUT AND TRAINING AND YOU'RE PUSHING YOUR LIMITS AND IN THE SECOND HALF YOUR BODY RESPONDS. YOU LEARN TEAM WORK, HOW TO GET ALONG WITH PEOPLE, HOW ACCOMPLISH A COMMON TASK AND YOU LEARN WHEN YOU GET GOKED DOWN AND EVERYONE GETS KNOCKED DOWN AND YOU GET UP AND YOU HAVE A SUPPORT SYSTEM AROUND AND YOU YOU LEARN TO USE IT. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT FROM BEING ON THE COURT OR ON THE GRID IRON AND WE BRING IT INTO OUR LIFE EVERYDAY.

AND AS A WOMAN, ESPECIALLY AS A FEMALE IT HELPS WITH SELF ESTEEM. YOU LEARN HOW TO BE THE CENTER OF ATTENTION GRACEFULLY EARLY BECAUSE ALL EYES ARE ON YOU AND THE AVERAGE WOMAN HAS TO WAIT UNTIL THE WEDDING DAY FOR THAT AND YOU DO THAT AND BECAUSE YOU'RE WORKING OUT IT HELPS WITH BODY IMAGE AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS. I HAVE A SPORTS GIRL AND I WOULDN'T HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY.

SPORTS SHAPES. IT MOLDS, AND IT JUST -- IT AFFECTS IN SUCH A WAY AND THE THING ABOUT NO QUIT IS THAT YOU HAVE -- IF IT'S IN YOU, WE CALL IT -- IF THAT DOG IS IN YOU THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO QUIT. YOU WANT TO DO BETTER THAN THE NEXT GUY. YOU WANT TO BE THE GUY STARTING. I MADE A POINT TO BE THE STARTER ON EVERY TEAM THEY PLAYED, BE IT BASKETBALL -- VERY LIMITED BASKETBALL, FOOTBALL, TRACK OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S JUST JUST SOMETHING -- I'M A COMPETITOR. I HATE TO LOSE. I DON'T EVEN LIKE LOSING WITH THE SONY PLAYSTATION.

OUR KIDS ARE THE SAME.

AND YEAH MAN BUT THESE KIDS TODAY THEY'RE NOT CUT FROM THE SAME MOLD AS WE'RE CUT FROM.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BUT BEFORE WE WRAP I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THE WORK YOU'RE DOING TO SHARE THE VALUES WITH THE KIDS THAT AREN'T CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH.

I DO IT EVERYDAY IN THE CLASSROOM. I JUST COMPLETED BY 11TH YEAR TEACHING. HAD I THOUGHT 15-20 YEARS AGO I WOULD BE AN EDUCATOR? NO, I DID NOT. I WAS THE GUY THAT THOUGHT I WOULD PLAY FOOT FOOTBALL FOREVER BUT REALITY SETS IN AND THE WAY I DO IT IS I LEAD MY LIFE NOT BASED ON WHAT I DID IN THE 90'S BUT WHAT I DO NOW EVERYDAY AND HOW DO I INTERACT WITH THE KIDS AND TEACH THEM IN THE CLASSROOM, AND WHEN THEY SEE ME IN THE SUPERMARKET, ON THE STREET THEY'RE SAYING -- I AM WALKING UP RIGHT FASHION AND DOING THE THINGS I AM SUPPOSED TO DO DAILY TO MODEL THAT IN AND OUT OF THE CLASSROOM.

KEITH.

I THINK BECAUSE WE DEPART AND DEAL WITH ATHLETES AND NON ATHLETES AND MOST ARE NONE AND LET'S LOOK AT THE WHOLE YEAR AND THE BODY OF WORK AND GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE AND TRAIN THERE AND WHETHER IT'S ACADEMICALLY OR EAGHT LETICALLY AND I WANT TO GO TO COLLEGE AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THERE AND WHAT I TAKE EVERYDAY AND DEALING WITH THE STUDENTS THAT I DEAL WITH.

I THINK THIS GENERATION NEEDS TANGIBLE EXAMPLES, REAL LIFE PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE THEM THAT COME FROM WHERE THEY COME FROM AND REAL HERE HEREOS. WE HAVE ENOUGH COMMERCIALISM IN HOLLYWOOD AND NOT NECESSARILY ROLE MODELS SO FOR ME IT'S BEING A TANGIBLE EXAMPLE AND AT THE END OF THE DAY YES IT SEEMINGS LIKE I DID GREAT THINGS BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I'M A STUDENT IN LITTLE ROCK AND WENT TO SCHOOL IN THE AREA SO JUST TO BE THERE SO THEY CAN LOOK AND IF SHE MADE IT AND DID IT I CAN TOO. I DON'T HAVE TO PLAY BASKETBALL TO DO IT. I HAD SOME SUCCESS ON THE COURT BUT A GREAT DEAL OF SUCCESS IS THROUGH THE WRITING AND I NEVER HAD TO PICK UP A BASKETBALL TO WRITE.

THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION, WONDERFUL CONVERSATION AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I THINK THE TAKE AWAY FOR ME I REMEMBER BEING A YOUNG PERSON AND ONE OF MY FAVORITE BASKETBALL PLAYERS WAS REGGIE LOUIS WITH THE BOSTON CELTICS AND SPORTS KILLED HIM AND DIED ON THE BASKETBALL COURT BUT SPORT CAN SAVE LIVES. THERE IS ANOTHER MAN, ISAIAH FROM BAYLOR AND THE HEART ISSUE WAS DISCOVERED. HE CAN'T PLAY AGAIN BUT HE WILL HOPEFULLY LIVE A LONG HEALTHY LIFE AND IT SAVED HIS LIFE AND WE HEAR THAT EVERYDAY THAT SPORTS CAN SAVE LIVES AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE AUDIENCE AND THE WHOLE AETN FAMILY FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND WITH THAT WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.

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