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Steve Bowman explores the beauty, excitement and pain of duck hunting in his book The Season, A Photographic Look at the Sport of Duck Hunting. Bowman discusses the book, which highlights one season through text and color photographs, with OTSP host Tommy Sanders. The book captures the essence of duck hunting, from the anticipation of every duck hunter to the need to pass the passion to the next generation.

An avid Arkansas duck hunter and outdoors journalist for more than 25 years, Bowman is the former outdoor editor for the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette and now produces outdoor television programming with JM Associates in Little Rock for ESPN Outdoors.Collaborating with Bowman for the book was Mark Stallings, a widely published outdoor sports and nature photographer whose work has been used by Ducks Unlimited, ESPN Outdoors and others.

Following the interview, Sanders spoke with panelists Phyllis Speer, regional education coordinator for the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission and outdoors journalist Trey Reid, former columnist for the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.

Visit Steve's website at theduckseason.com

Transcript

YOU CAN CALL THEM COFFEE TABLE BOOKS OR PHOTO ESSAYS BUT THIS SORT OF BOOK RIGHT HERE THAT YOU SEE IN SPECIAL PARTS OF THE BOOKSTORE THEY ARE LONG ON VISUAL IMAGES MAYBE SHORTER ON TEXT IS SOMETHING WE DON'T TALK ABOUT MUCH HERE ON "ON THE SAME PAGE" BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT TODAY AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE BOOKS THAT HAS A VERY SPECIAL CONNECTION TO THE STATE OF ARKANSAS IT'S STALLED A SEASON BY STEVE BOWMAN AND MARK STALLING AND IT IS A DOCUMENTATION,  A PHOTO ESSAY ABOUT THE 2005, 2006 DUCK HUNTING SEASON HERE IN ARKANSA ARKANSAS. IT'S CALLED FROM OVER 7,000 PHOTOGRAPHS AND IT REALLY IS A FASCINATING LOOK AT A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF ARKANSAS CULTURE. THE SEASON. WE'LL HAVE STEVE BOWMAN TO VISIT ABOUT HIS BOOK IN JUST A FEW MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH A COUPLE OF ARKANSAS FACES TO THOSE FAMILIAR THAT ARE BIG FANS OF OUTDOORS THAT WILL BE OUR PANEL AS WELL SO TODAY "THE SEASON" ON "ON THE SAME PAGE".   (MUSIC.)

WELL, GLAD YOU'RE WITH US WE'RE COMING TO YOU TODAY -- WE USUALLY COME TO YOU FROM A BOOKSTORE AND TODAY WE'RE COMING FROM THE STUDIOS OF AETN AND THE ONLY REASON WE'RE DOING THAT IS BECAUSE THE TIME WE TAPE THIS SHOW IT'S A LITTLE EARLY TO GET IN THE DUCK PWLIM THAT WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE SETTING AND THE BOOK IS AGAIN THE SEASON AND STEVE BOWMAN IS WITH US MOST ARKANSAS SANS PROBABLY KNOW STEVE BOWMAN AS THE FORMER OUTDOORS EDITOR FOR THE ARKANSAS GAZETTE FOR HOW MANY JEERS. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  14 YEARS.

MY GOODNESS. WELL KNOWN NATIONALLY OUTDOOR WRITER STEVE BOWMAN HE'S THE EDITOR BOUNDER PUBLISHER OF RED FISH MAGAZINE AN EXECUTIVE EDITOR NOW WITH ESPN.COM AND BY WAY OF EXPOSURE WE WORK FOR THE SAME COMPANY J AND H ASSOCIATES IN LITTLE ROCK ARKANSAS AND WE'RE ALSO GOOD FRIENDS BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT INFORMATION WILL TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT WE HAVE TODAY A BOOK THAT'S VERY MUCH APPROPRIATE TO ARKANSAS AND OUR AUDIENCE AT "ON THE SAME PAGE" THE SEASON THE STORY OF PICTURES OF A SEASON IN DUCK HUNTING IN ARKANSAS WHAT SEASON WAS IT. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  IT WAS LAST SEASON THE 2005, 2006 DUCK SEASON. BASICALLY WE STARTED THE WHOLE EMPHASIS BEHIND THE BOOK WAS I WANT TO LAY MY GUN DOWN AND START TAKING SOME PHOTOS. AND ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT I HAD WAS I'M GOING TO GO TO A BUNCH OF DUCK CLUBS. AND I'M GOING TO CHRONICLE A HUNT AT SPECIFIC DUCK CLUBS. WELL 2005 WAS THE DRIEST YEAR, ONE OF THE DRIEST YEARS ON RECORD. AND A LOT OF DUCK CLUBS SAID WE DON'T WANT YOU TO COME. I SAID OKAY. SO I KEPT THE GUN IN THE CASE AND KEPT SHOOTING PHOTOS. AND AS I TRAVELED WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT GUYS AND NOT NECESSARILY CLUB HUNTING BUT JUST PLACES I'M LIKE YOU KNOW THERE'S A STORY TO TELL HERE. AND WHAT A DUCK SEASON LOOKED LIKE WHETHER IT'S DRY, WET OR OTHERWISE. AND THAT WAS -- BY THE END OF THE SEASON MARK STALLINGS AND I HAD TAKEN OVER 7,000 IMAGES OF GUYS AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN DOING WHAT THEY DO.

YEAH. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  IN THE DUCK WOODS. AND IT WAS REALLY KIND OF A NEAT EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I'VE DUCK HUNTED ALL MY LIFE. TYPICALLY WITH A GUN. AND JUST TO HAVE IT -- LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND START LOOKING AT IT FROM I GUESS FROM AN ARTIST -- AN ARTISTIC WAY WAS KIND OF EYE OPENING FOR SOMEBODY THAT THOUGHT THEY KNEW IT PRETTY WELL.

PICTURES BY YOU AND MARK AND JAMES OVERTRY AS WELL IS ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPHER OF THIS BOOK ARE TERRIFIC. IT DOES TELL A STORY IN PICTURES. BUT WHAT WAS THE DEEP SEEDED PURPOSE IN THIS. DOESN'T TO TELL A STORY. DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A HISTORICAL RECORD OF A CULTURE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR STATE THAT MAY BE GONE SOME DAY. OR WILL IT EVER BE GONE SOME DAY. IT'S A THREE LAYERED QUESTION. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  I HOPE IT'S NEVER GONE AT LEAST AS LONG AS I'M AROUND. I THINK THE ONE THING -- THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND ANY OF THE WORKS THAT I DO ON DUCK HUNTING IS TO -- IS I GET A LOT OF RESPONSES FROM PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. THEY KNOW ALL -- EVERYBODY EQUATES ARKANSAS WITH DUCK HUNTING. BUT THEN THEIR SECOND RESPONSE TO ONCE YOU TELL THEM YOU'RE FROM ARKANSAS AND YOU'RE DUCK HUNTERS, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T SEE THE ATTRACTION OF STANDING IN WASTE DEEP MUDDY WATER ON A FREEZING -- WHAT DO YOU GET OUT OF THAT. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOU ABOUT. AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN THOSE TERMS, YOU KNOW, DUCK HUNTING ISN'T TOO APPEALING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT FREEZING WATER AND LEAKY WADEERS AND MUD AND CRUD AND JUST EVERYTHING THAT CAN GO WRONG WILL GO WRON WRONG. BUT WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT DUCK HUNTING WHEN YOU GO DUCK HUNTING AND YOU SEE WHAT GOD CAN DO TO A SKY LINE. AND WHAT A DUCK CAN DO IN FLIGHT. AND HOW TREES BECOME STATUES OF THE LANDSCAPE AND ALL THESE THINGS START COMING TOGETHER. AND IT REALLY IS A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO SPEND YOUR TIME.

IT'S A VISUAL TREAT. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  IT REALLY IS. AND EVERYBODY -- YOU KNOW -- IN ARKANSAS IS AWARE OF HOW BEAUTIFUL THE OZARKS AND OUACHITAS ARE IN THE FALL WHEN THE LEAVES START TURNING COLORS AND SO FORTH. AND THEN WHEN IT'S ALL GONE, TO THEM THE TREES ARE GRAY AND LIFELESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT FOR A DUCK HUNTER OR DEER HUNTER THEY GO OUT AND GET BEHIND THAT OUTER LAYER AND THEY START SEEING THE REAL BEAUTY BEHIND THAT. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE SEASON -- "THE SEASON" COMES INTO PLAY. I JUST EDED SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF A -- WANTED TO SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT LOOK. IT'S NOT JUST MUD AND CRUD. THERE IS SOME THINGS LIKE A GRI ZZLED DUCK HUNTER IT TAKES HIS BREATH AWAY AND SAY THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.

DO YOU THINK YOU WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING AHOLD OF THE VISUAL -- IT IS HARD TO DESCRIBE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSITION OF DUCK HUNTING AS YOU SAY IT DOESN'T SOUND THAT APPEALING BUT WHEN YOU GET OUT THERE AND EXPERIENCE THE THING AS A WHOLE -- LET'S GO THROUGH THE BOOK WE START OUT WITH A CHAPTER CALLED "ANTICIPATION" WHICH I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT -- THE WORDS IN IT ARE AS IMPORTANT AS THE PICTURES THERE. THE PICTURES DON'T REALLY GET STARTED GOING IN THAT CHAPTER. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW UNLESS YOU'RE A DUCK HUNTER THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THAT GUY THAT MAYBE STARTS WEARING HIS CAMOUFLAGE HAT IN SEPTEMBER AND HAS HIS DUCK CALL HANGING OFF HIS REAR VIEW MIRROR HE'S STARTING TO THINK ABOUT IT.

HE'S THE GUY THAT WOULDN'T MOW THE LAWN 30 DAYS AGO BUT NOW HE'S OUTSIDE. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  YEAH, IT ALL COMES TO THIS FRUITION OF DUCK SEASON WHERE YOU SEE ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU REALLY LOVE AND YOU'VE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH AND YOU START FEELING IT. I'M TELLING YOU WHEN SEPTEMBER GETS HERE AND THE FIRST COLD FRONT COMES THERE'S NOT A DUCK HUNTER IN ARKANSAS WHO DOESN'T STEP OUT IN THE MORNING AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HAPPENED THE NIGHT BEFORE OR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THAT DAY HE WAKES UP HAPPY.

YEAH. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  HE'S THINKING ABOUT IT. MY DOG FIRST COLD FRONT STARTS PACING IN FRONT OF THE FENCE. HE KNOWS THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND YOU KNOW THAT'S JUST -- THERE'S JUST SOMETHING SPECIAL IN THAT. SO ANTICIPATION IS A BIG THING.

IT IS. THE SUNRISE IS THE NEXT CHAPTE CHAPTER. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  RIGHT.

MAN, THAT'S TAILOR MADE FOR THIS KINT OF BOOK. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  YEAH AND THE SUNRISE IS THE PRETTIEST PART OF THE DAY. AND IT'S ALSO THE KICKOFF FOR THE DAY SO TO SPEAK. IT'S LIKE THE FIRST PITCH OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL. TEE OFF ON A FIRST GREEN OR WHATEVER. IT GETS IT ALL STARTED. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S INCREDIBLE.

SOMETIMES IT'S ALL YOU GET. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  AND THAT'S IT. AND THAT'S RIGHT. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DUCK HUNTERS WHO MAKE FUN OF THAT.

AT LEAST WE HAVE THE SUNRISE. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  WE HAVE THE SUNRISE.

HOW MANY OF THESE HUNTS THAT WE SEE PICTURED IN THIS BOOK WERE HUNTS LIKE THAT WHERE ALL THEY GOT WAS THE SUNRISE. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  ACTUALLY PROBABLY 30, 40% OF THEM.

REALLY. THAT MANY. BECAUSE OF THE YEAR THE YEAR WAS TOUGH. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  IT WAS DRY BUT IT STILL DOESN'T STOP YOU FROM WANTING TO GO AND HOPE AND ANTICIPATE IT WILL GET BETTER.

THE HUNTERS IS THE NEXT CHAPTER A LOT OF FACES A LOT OF PEOPLE A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING UP AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE OF COURSE AND YOU DID SOME VERY INTERESTING STUDIES OF PEOPLE. WHEN THEY ARE IN THEIR OBSESSION OUT THERE. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  WELL, DUCK HUNTING -- DUCK HUNTING ITSELF IS A THREAD THAT TIES EVERYBODY TOGETHER. I MEAN YOU CAN DUCK HUNT WITH THE POOREST GUY AND YOU'RE ON HIS LEVEL. YOU CAN DUCK HUNT WITH THE RICHEST GUY AND YOU'RE ON HIS LEVEL YOU CAN DUCK HUNT WITH DOCTORS AND LAWYERS AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IT BINDS ALL OF THESE CULTURES, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT INCOME BRACKETS TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY SHARE THIS ONE THING. THEY SHARE THIS LOVE OF GOING OUT THERE AND SEEING ALL OF THESE BEAUTIFUL THINGS TAKE PLACE. AND A DUCK HUNTER UNDERSTANDS THAT.

THE NEXT CHAPTER IS THE NEXT GENERATION SO REALLY SOME KIDS WHO ARE JUST OBVIOUSLY EXPERIENCING THEIR FIRST DUCK HUNT AND THEY ARE LOVING IT. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  KIDS ARE GREAT. IF YOU DON'T TAKE A KID DUCK HUNTING -- YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE KIDS TO DO ANYTHING. BUT ESPECIALLY DUCK HUNTING. THEY CAN EMBODY WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT IN THE FEWEST WORDS JUST BY THE LOOKS ON THEIR FACES. THERE'S ACTUALLY A PHOTO IN THE BOOK IT'S ONE OF THE FEW PHOTOS THAT WASN'T TAKEN LAST SEASON. IT'S OF MY DAUGHTER WHEN SHE WAS SIX YEARS OLD AND SHE'S WIDEIDE LOOKING AT YOU.

OH,  YEAH. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  AND OF COURSE SHE'S A HARD CORVETTE RAN NOW. SHE'S TURNED 16. AND SHE'S READY TO GO AND ROCK AND ROLL ALL THE TIME. BUT YOU KNOW IT REALLY IS. YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THEIR EYES. AND IT REALLY DOES START TO COME TOGETHER. THE KIDS ARE THE BEST.

DID YOU GET A FEEL FOR HOW BIG, HOW INTO IT THAT NEXT GENERATION IS GOING TO BE. THE KIDS WHO ARE KIDS NOW. SO MANY DISTRACTIONS IN THIS DAY AND AGE. MUCH MORE SO THAN YOU AND I HAD WHEN WE WERE YOUNG. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  EVERYBODY TELLS ME THAT THE YOUNGER GENERATION IS NOT THERE. AND I DON'T SEE IT. I TEACH HUNTER EDUCATION CLASSES. AND I HAVE BIG CLASSES. I SEE KIDS THAT COME UP TO ME AND WANT ME TO TAKE THEM DUCK HUNTING WITH ME AT CHURCH OR WHEREVER SOMEWHERE OUT AND WE GO AND I LOVE TAKING THEM. AND I SEE SO MUCH INTEREST. I CAN SHOW YOU -- I CAN TAKE YOU TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SOMEWHERE IN LITTLE ROCK NOW AND JUST ABOUT EVERY ONE I KNOW A KID WHO IS EIGHT OR NINE YEARS OLD WHO CAN NAME YOU EVERY SPECIES OF WATERFOWL AND I DON'T THINK THAT I COULD HAVE DOWN THAT WHEN -- DONE THAT WHEN I WAS EIGHT OR NINE. THERE WASN'T THAT KIND OF INTEREST. WE LOVE TO HUNT. AND WE WANTED TO DO IT. AND THE THOUGHT OF IT WAS. BUT I MEAN TODAY THEY HAVE OUTDOOR CHANNEL. THEY HAVE A LOT OF --

THEY HAVE A LOT MORE THINGS TO STIMULATE THEM THAT'S A GOOD POINT I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  THEY REALLY GET INTO IT SO MUCH MORE THAN WE EVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BOOK THE SEASON "ON THE SAME PAGE" TODAY STEVE BOWMAN AND MARK STALLINGS IN THE WORLD OF DUCK HUNTING SEASON '05 AND '06 THE NEXT CHAPTER IS MY CHAPTER THE IT'S QUURRY THESE AMAZING DUCK -- QUARRY THESE AMAZING PICTURES WILL YOU SPILL THE BEANS AND TELL ME WHERE IT WAS TAKEN. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  THAT WAS TAKEN IN SLOVAK AT A PLACE KNOWN AS THOMAS RESERVOIR THAT'S ABOUT AS PRECISE AS I'LL GET.

SOME OF THE TECHNIQUE -- OBVIOUSLY THIS IS VERY HIGH SPEED SOME OF THIS PHOTOGRAPHY AND SOME OF THE STUFF JUST MULTIPLE DUCKS IN THE AIR YOU SEE NOTHING BUT A BLUE SKY AND NOTHING BUT DUCKS AND YOU THINK HOW CAN THAT BE INTERESTING IT'S ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING THING I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE IT'S JUST BECAUSE EACH DUCK IS DOING SOMETHING ACROBAT PARTICULAR HOW DID YOU PUT IT -- PULL IT OFF. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  I SPENT A LOT OF TIME -- YOU CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND DO IT I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TAKING PHOTOS OF DUCKS AND IT'S ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS TO ME YOU CAN DO. A PHOTO LIKE THAT RIGHT THERE NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN YOUR FAVOR EQUIPMENT-WISE, MOTHER NATURE HAS GOT TO BE ON YOUR SIDE. THE WIND HAS GOT TO BE ON YOUR SIDE. THE SUN HAS GOT TO BE ON YOUR SIDE. AND IT'S HARD AND ACTUALLY JAMES OVERSTREET TOOK THAT PHOTO IT'S ONE OF THE MOST MAGNIFICENT PHOTOS. AND IT'S ONE OF THE REASON I SAID JAMES I'VE GOT TO USE THIS PHOTO YOU'RE GOING TO BE A CONTRIBUTING EDITOR IN OUR BOO BOOK. IT WAS IT WAS TAKEN IN BANAUM ARKANSAS IN A RICE FIELD THERE OF A FRIEND OF OURLS. BUT YOU KNOW IT'S -- FRIEND OF OURS. BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE SOME DAYS YOU GO OUT AND AS FAR AS TAKING PICTURES OF PEOPLE AND DOGS AND SO FORTH, IT'S ALMOST -- YOU CAN DO THAT ALMOST ANY DAY WITHOUT ANY TROUBLE.

YOU'LL FIND SOMETHING. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  YEAH. WHEN IT COMES TO DUCKS YOU'RE CONSTANTLY PLAYING TO WIN THE LOTTERY. AND SOMETIMES YOU -- 

STEVE BOWMAN:  SOMETIMES YOU HIT IT SOMETIMES YOU DON'T.

MY COMPLIMENTS ON THAT TO ME THAT'S THE BEST PART OF THE WHOLE BOOK. THE RETRIEVERS ARE PICTURED. LET ME ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION. NOBODY WOULD EVER SIT AND WATCH 100 QUAIL FOR THREE MINUTES THEY WOULDN'T WATCH 100 WIDE EGRITTS THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME BUT DUCKS ARE ALL THE SAME BUT WHY CAN WE SIT AND WATCH THEM FOR HOURS AND HOURS ARE DUCKS DIFFERENT. IS IT NOT A BIRD REALLY. THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT A DUCK. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  I THINK A LOT OF ONE OF THE QUAIL, YOU SPENDS HIS TIME TRYING TO HIDE FROM YOU. AND IN A WAY -- THE -- IN A WAY YOU CAN CALL QUAIL YOU REALLY CAN'T CALL A QUAIL LIKE THE DUCK WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE WATERFOWL WHETHER IT'S A DUCK OR GOOSE OR WHATEVER I CAN PULL A -- PUT A CALL AROUND MY NECK AND HIDE SOMEWHERE AND THROW OUT A COUPLE OF DECOYS AND MAKE A FEW CALLS AND I CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A DUC DUCK. AND WE CAN SEE THAT DUCK RESPOND TO OUR CONVERSATIONS BY HOW HE MOVES HIS WINGS OR MOVES HIS HEAD OR WHATEVER. AND THEN EVENTUALLY -- AND IT'S KIND OF A NEAT DEAL. I MEAN THERE'S NOT MANY PLACES THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. YOU CAN DO IT WITH TURKEY HUNTING IN SOME INSTANCES BUT FROM A WR STANDPOINT IT'S ALL -- WATERFOWL STANDPOINT IT'S ALL OUT THERE AND IN THE OPEN AND YOU CAN SEE IT AND ENJOY.

IT'S WELL POUR TRIED HERE IN THIS BOOK "THE SEASON" WE HAVE GREAT SHOTS OF RETRIEVERS THAT'S THE NEXT CHAPTER THERE. THE WATCH AND IN THE "WATCH" YOU MAKE A POINT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT EVERY KNEW BEE DUCK POINTER IS -- NEW BEE DUCK HUNTER IS TOLD WHAT IS THAT. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  EVERY DUCK HUNTER HAS GONE WITH THE GRIZZLED OLD GUY OR MAN THAT TAUGHT THEM KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN BOY.

THE WHITES OF YOUR EYE. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  RIGHT AND REALLY IT'S THE MOON FACE AND SO FORTH. BUT I STARTED REALIZING THAT A LOT OF THE GUYS AND KIDS WOULD KEEP THEIR HEADS DOWN AND LOOKING AT THE FLOOR AND WHEN YOU WOULD SAY OKAY HERE THEY COME THEY MISS THE WHOLE SHOW AND THERE'S NOT ANY REASON TO DO THAT. I MEAN, I WOULD RATHER NOT KILL A DUCK AS -- YOU KNOW IF I WAS GOING TO MISS THE SHOW. AND SO YOU KNOW REALLY A LOT OF WHAT THE WATCH IS WE SPEND 90% OF OUR TIME WITH OUR FACES AND OUR EYES IN THE SKY. WE'RE LOOKING AND HOPING. AND WHEN IT STARTS HAPPENING, THE WRONG PLACE TO LOOK IS DOW DOWN.

OH,  YEAH. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  WE WANT TO LOOK UP. YOU HAVE TO LOOK UP. AND IF THAT MEANS JUST STAY HID AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

THAT'S RIGHT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP LOOKING DOWN YOU NEED TO GET THE BOOK BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THIS GREAT STUFF. ONE MORE FINAL THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOU HAVE A GREAT PHOTO ESSAY ABOUT THE CULTURE OF DUCK HUNTING IN THERE. AND IT'S REALLY SORT OF MIRRORS THE WHOLE HUNTING CULTURE IN ARKANSAS WHICH IS VERY STRONG. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONINGS ABOUT HOW CAMOUFLAGE IS A CULTURAL MARKER FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE I FIND THIS FASCINATING YOU COULD HAVE DONE A WHOLE BOOK ON THAT AND MAYBE YOU WIL WILL. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  YOU'RE EXAC EXACTLY RIGHT AS FAR AS THE CULTURE. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS. AND TO THEN INITIATE IT, YOU -- UNTIL INITIATED YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LITTLE DU LOGO WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THE RODE AND SOMEONE SEES THAT, THERE'S A BROTHER IN ARMS, YOU KNOW. THERE'S SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND IT'S SO COLD THAT THE WATCH HANDS ARE RUBBING TOGETHER. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND GO DUCK HUNTING IN THE COLD AND ICE AND YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW THAT HE'S GOING TO BE THERE WITH YOU BECAUSE HE'S SHARED IT WITH YOU. AND THEY WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW. YOU WANT TO WEAR THE DU PINS WITH THE TIES OR YOU WANT TO WEAR THE CAMOUFLAGE BELT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FULL BOAR BOARD. BUT YOU SEE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, FOLKS WHO JUST LOVE TO HAVE IT. WOMEN WITH DUCKS ON THEIR PURS PURSE. ON THEIR SHOES. AND THAT TYPE OF THING. IT IS AN INTERESTING CULTURE.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY AGAIN THE BOOK IS CALLED "THE SEASON" IF YOU'RE NOT SO MUCH INTO DUCK HUNTING I STILL RECOMMEND THE BOOK TO YOU BECAUSE OF THE STRIKING PHOTOGRAPHY THAT'S IN HERE AND THE GREAT STORY TELLING IF YOU WANT TO GET SORT OF SOME BACKGROUND BEFORE YOU GET INTO THIS ON THE HISTORY OF DUCK HUNTING IN ARKANSAS AND STATUS STEVE PRODUCED ANOTHER BOOK FOUR YEARS AGO. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  THAT WAS ACTUALLY SEVEN YEARS AGO.

A LOT WITH STEVE WRIGHT THE ARKANSAS DUCK HUNTERS ALMANAC WHICH IS FANTASTIC. THE PHOTOGRAPHIC FEED IN THIS IS THE ACQUISITION OF PHOTOGRAPHS THAT GIVE YOU TREMENDOUS ARKANSAS HISTORY NOT TO MENTION GREAT HUNTING HISTORY AS WELL AGAIN THE BOOK IS CALLED "THE SEASON" AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT DUCK HUNTERS CAN SDIMS BE HARD TO BUY FOR WHEN CHRISTMAS COMES ON TAKE A LOOK AT IT AT LEAST PUT IT ON YOUR LIST TO CUSTOMER THANK YOU SO MUCH. 

STEVE BOWMAN:  THANK YOU.

WE'LL TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND WHEN WE COME BACK WE'LL DISCUSS THE BOOK WITH ARKANSAS READERS WHO ARE ALSO VERY DEDICATED SPORTS PEOPLE. SO STICK AROUND.   (MUSIC.) 

TOMMY SANDERS:  WE'RE BACK AND READY TO TALK ABOUT THIS BOOK "THE SEASON" WITH OUR ARKANSAS READERS AND OUR TWO READERS WE HAVE ON THE PANEL TODAY IF YOU'RE AN OUTDOORS FAN YOU WILL RECOGNIZE BOTH OF THESE FOLKS RIGHT HERE FIRST EVERYONE THAT WATCHES AETN KNOWS PHYLLIS SPEER SHE'S A COORDINATOR FOR THE GAME & FISH COMMISSION AND BETTER KNOWN AS THE PERSON WHO COOKS ALL OF THOSE DELIGHTFUL DOOS ON ARKANSAS OUTDOORS YOU NOT ONLY COOK THEM OR YOU CAN HUNDRED LUNT THEM BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THE BLIND WITH THEM. 

PHYLLIS SPEER:  I DO. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  YOU'LL RECOGNIZE TREY REID HE'S THE ACADEMIC EDITOR OUT THERE SO HIS WORK IS SEEN ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAUV FOR BEING HERE PHYLLIS WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT THE BOOK. 

PHYLLIS SPEER:  WELL AS YOU SAID BEING A DUCK HUNTER I THINK YOU HAVE EVEN A STEP-UP APPRECIATION OF THE BOOK. BUT TO SEE ALL OF THOSE FACES AND ALL OF THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS AND EVERYONE LOOKING UP IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE AND YOU KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF YOU'RE A HUNTER, WHETHER IT BE DUCK HUNTER OR ANY OTHER HUNTER THERE'S SO MUCH MORE PULL IT -- TO IT THAN JUST PULLING THE TRIGGER AND WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE AND SEE, I THINK THIS BOOK DEPICTS BEING OUT THERE SEEING THE SUNRISE, SEEING ALL OF THOSE OTHER CRITTERS COME ALIVE. ALL OF THOSE OTHER BIRDS AND WATERFOWL AND THINGS FLYING THROUGH THE BOOK TO ME SAID SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST BEING A DUCK HUNT. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  LIKE HE SAID IN OUR INTERVIEW IT'S KIND OF TOUGH SALE DUCK HUNT HADING TO SOMEONE WHO HASN'T DONE IT STANDING IN FREEZING WATER. 

TREY REID:  EVERYBODY ASKS YOU AS A DUCK HUNTER WHY WOULD YOU DO IT YOU BREAK ICE AND YOU GET WATER IN YOUR BOOTS AND IT RAINS. AND THE WEATHER IS TERRIBLE. BUT I THINK THIS BOOK EXPLAINS THAT. 

PHYLLIS SPEER:  I AGREE.

IN GREAT DETAIL IT SPEAKS TO THOSE UNIVERSAL TRUTHS THAT ALL OF US DUCK HUNTERS UNDERSTAND AND THE THINGS THAT NEVER COME TO MIND WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS US WHY DO YOU DO THIS GO PICK UP "THE SEASON AND YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY."

BETTER THAN WORDS THESE PICTURES PORTRAY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT I'M SURE BOTH OF YOU HAVE PICTURE OR WHAT WE WOULD CALL A COFFEE TABLE BOOK ABOUT HUNTING COME ACROSS YOUR DESK ALL YEAR LONG. WHAT IN YOUR OPINION I'LL ASK YOU FIRST PHYLLIS MAKES THEM WORK AND WHAT MAKES THEM NOT WORK SOMETIMES. 

PHYLLIS SPEER:  WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKED ABOUT THIS BOOK WAS THAT THERE WAS IN MY OPINION JUST ENOUGH WRITING ALONG WITH IT. YOU COULD LOOK AT THE PICTURES. AND MAYBE IF YOU WEREN'T A DUCK HUNTER BUT YOU WERE ENJOYING -- YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S JUST ENOUGH TEXT TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND IT IF YOU WEREN'T A HUNTER. NOW, IF YOU WERE A HUNTER, A DUCK HUNTER, YOU'LL SIT THERE AND YOU'LL CHUCKLE AND YOU'LL LAUGH AND SAY BEEN THERE DONE THAT AND YOU'LL HAVE A STEP-UP APPRECIATION BUT EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T THE TEXT IN THE BOOK HELPS YOU HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  AND GIVES YOU MORE INSIGHT AND DIFFERENT THOUGHTS ABOUT. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. 

TREY REID:  ABSOLUTELY TOMMY OBVIOUSLY WITH A WRITING BACKGROUND THE PRINTED WORD IS IMPORTANT TO ME. AND I -- 

TOMMY SANDERS:  IT MUST NOT GO AWAY. 

TREY REID:  YOU KNOW I LIKE TO -- AND THIS IS GOING TO SOUND CRAZY BEAUTIFUL PICTURES IN HERE BUT I THINK THE TEXT THE NARRATIVE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT IS EVERYBODY BIT AS GOOD OR MAYBE EVEN BETTER BUT I'M BIASED. BUT WHAT HE DOES YOU KNOW WITH -- WHAT THEY DO WITH THE WRITING IN THIS BOOK IS THEY -- THEY ADDRESS THESE THINGS THAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE -- THEY ARE NOT EXPOSITORY STORIES. THEY ARE NOT -- 

TOMMY SANDERS:  IT WASN'T JUST HAPPENED OUT THERE WITH STEVE BOWMAN IN THAT NEWSPAPER JOB COULD WRITE ABOUT STUFF THAT HAD TO BE UNSAID AND YOU COULD SAY IT IN THIS FORMAT. 

TREY REID:  EXACTLY WHAT HE'S ABLE TO DO IN THIS IT'S SORT OF LIKE AN ESSAY THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE DUCK HUNTER AND THAT'S WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT IT THE BEST GREAT PICTURES BUT I LOVE THE NARRATIVE AS WELL. 

PHYLLIS SPEER:  IT PUTS YOU THERE. 

TREY REID:  IT DOES ABSOLUT ABSOLUTELY. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  ANY CATEGORY AMONG THOSE CHAPTERS THE TYPES OF PICTURES YOU ALL LIKED THE BEST. 

PHYLLIS SPEER:  WELL, OF COURSE I LOVE THE YOUNGSTERS. I LOVE THE YOUNGSTERS OUT THERE, THE ANTICIPATION OF THEM LOOKING UP AND SOME OF THEM YOU COULD TELL THEY WERE A LITTLE MORE SEASONED THAN OTHERS THEY WERE LOOKING UP CERTAIN WAYS AND SOME OF THEM THEY WERE JUST IN AWE LOOKING UP. AND YOU EXPERIENCE THAT EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT A DUCK HUNTER EVEN IF YOU DOESN'T CARRY A GUN BUT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND EXPERIENCE THAT, IT IS AN AWESOME EXPERIENCE. AND THAT -- THOSE WERE SOME -- OF COURSE THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THEM CUPPING AND COMING IN AND THERE WERE FABULOUS PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT. BUT THE KIDLETS. 

TREY REID:  THAT WAS GOOD. IT SURPRISED ME HOW GOOD THEY WERE AND HOW INTO IT THEY WERE. 

PHYLLIS SPEER:  AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS CAPTURED THAT.

OH, ABSOLUTELY. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  WE TALKED TO STEVE ABOUT THIS IN THE INTERVIEW. AND I ASKED HIM DID HE THINK THIS GENERATION WAS GOING TO CARRY ON THE TRADITION THE YOUNGSTERS COMING UP NOW. HE THINKS YOU KNOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MANY DISTRACTIONS NOW. AND WE SAY THAT ABOUT EVERYBOD GENERATION IT'S GOING TO DIMINISH AND HUNTING WILL FALL AWAY BUT HE SAYS -- HE MAKES A GREAT POINT. TODAY WE'VE GOT THE OUTDOOR CHANNEL WE HAVE THREE OR FOUR OUTDOOR CHANNELS WE HAVE THE INTERNET FULL OF HUNTING INFORMATION HE THINKS THAT'S SORT OF OFFSETTING SO THIS NEXT GENERATION MAY BE THE MOST FIRED UP ABOUT DUCK HUNTING TO EVER COME ALONG WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT TREY. 

TREY REID:  THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ENCOURAGING NUMBERS FROM THE ANNUAL SURVEY THAT THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE DOES EVERY FIVE YEARS THAT SHOWS SOME POSITIVE SIGNS. WE'RE STILL LOSING BUT I MEAN THERE ARE SOME ENCOURAGING SIGNS WITH THE YOUNGER GENERATION. AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  THAT IS GOO GOOD. 

TREY REID:  WE NEED THEM. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  I KNOW BOTH OF YOU ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS BOOK BECAUSE I THINK IF A PERSON IS NOT A DUCK HUNTER THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE TO START. 

TREY REID:  ABSOLUTELY. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  THE BOOK HE WROTE WITH STEVE WRIGHT THE ARKANSAS DUCK HUNTER'S ALMANAC THIS IS A FABULOUS BOOK. 

PHYLLIS SPEER:  IT IS. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  I THINK FOR THE COLLECTION OF PHOTOGRAPHS. HE DIDN'T TAKE THE PHOTOGRAPHS FOR THIS ONE BUT THE ONES HE FOUND ARE JUST AMAZING. THEY ARE A REAL SLICE OF ARKANSAS HUNTING HISTORY. 

TREY REID:  TOMMY I THINK WITH THAT BOOK IF YOU WANT A HISTORY OF ARKANSAS HUNTING AND SORT OF TO KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THE CHARACTERS WHO SHAPED AND FORMED IT, THAT'S THE BOOK TO START WITH. AND YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE, GO WITH "THE SEASON". 

TOMMY SANDERS:  NOW, I LIKE LOOKING AT THESE COFFEE TABLE BOOKS. 

PHYLLIS SPEER:  I DO, TOO. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  IF THEY ARE WELL DONE AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW BUT I CAN LOOK AT THEM AGAIN AND AGAIN MORE SO THAN I WOULD EVER REREAD A BOOK AGAIN ARE YOU THAT WAY. 

TREY REID:  I AM WELL I'M KIND OF A WEIRD DOE I -- WEIRDO I READ BOOKS OVER AND OVER I WAS READING A BOOK TO SORT OF PREPARE FOR THIS. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  WHO IS QUOTED IN THIS BOOK THE ALMANA ALMANAC. 

TREY REID:  ABSOLUTELY. BUT YEAH I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS. I THINK ESPECIALLY YOU KNOW WITH THE DUCK HUNTING BOOK IF YOU'RE A DUCK HUNTER, WE ALWAYS ARE AN OPTIMISTIC LOT REGARDLESS OF HOW BAD THE LAST FEW SEASONS HAVE BEEN. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  YEAH. 

TREY REID:  SO I THINK READING OR LOOKING AT A BOOK LIKE THIS JUST MAKES YOU -- YOU KNOW IT BUILDS UP THAT OPTIMISM THAT ETERNAL HOPE THAT WE ALWAYS SEEM TO HAVE ESPECIALLY THIS TIME OF YEAR WHEN WE'RE RIGHT ON THE VERGE OF THE SEASON TO GET YOU THROUGH THOSE LONG HOT SUMMER NIGHTS, TOO. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  THE VERY FIRST CHAPTER ANTICIPATION AND AS WE RECORD THIS PROGRAM RIGHT NOW WE'RE DEFINITELY INTO THE HEAVY ANTICIPATION TIME OF THE YEAR ARE YOU STARTING TO FEEL IT A LITTLE BIT WHERE YOU START TO LOOK AT THE LONG RANGE WEATHER FORECAST. 

PHYLLIS SPEER:  YES. 

TREY REID:  I'VE BEEN THERE. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT THERE -- RIGHT NOW AREN'T YOU CHECKING IT EVERY NIGHT IT REALLY GETS TO THE HEART OF THAT IN THIS BOOK RIGHT NOW WE DON'T WANT TO JUST SAY STEVE BOWMAN JAMES STALLING AND OVERSTREET PUT THIS TOGETHER. THE CULTURE THE LAST CHAPTER OF THE CULTURE OF BOOK HUNTING WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PICTURE HERE AND WE'LL SHOW IT WHERE EVERYONE CAN SEE IT WITH THE PICKUP TRUCK WITH THE DEER -- THAT'S A FASCINATING PART OF ARKANSAS TO ME IS HOW STRONG. WHAT WE WOULD CALL FOR BETTER OF A -- FOR LACK OF BETTER WORD THE (INAUDIBLE) CULTURE. IT IDENTIFIES YOU AS PART OF A REAL COMMUNITY WITHIN A COMMUNITY. I WAS THINKING HE COULD DO THE WHOLE BOOK ON THAT. 

PHYLLIS SPEER:  ABSOLUTELY. AND THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT IT IS IT'S A CROSS CULTURE. IT'S PEOPLE FROM ALL CULTURES AND ALL WALKS OF LIFE ARE ALL A PART OF THIS NETWORK OR THIS FAMILY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE ELITEOUS IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE GOOD OLD BOY IT'S NOT JUST FOR WOMEN, CHILDREN OR MEN -- AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS IT'S A VERY SOCIAL HUNT. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  I AGREE. 

TREY REID:  I THINK THERE'S PART OF A REASON THERE IS SUCH A CULTURE AROUND IT BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A SOCIAL TYPE OF HUNTING YOU'RE WITH THREE OR FOUR GOOD BUDDIES FAMILY FRIENDS WHATEVER THAT SECTION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TOMMY WITH THE CULTURE THE BUMPER STICKERS IT'S LIKE A BATCH THAT YOU WEAR LIKE I AM PART OF THIS GROUP. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU GET ME. 

TREY REID:  RIGHT EXACTLY. 

TOMMY SANDERS:  PHYLLIS SPEER, TREY REID THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR READING THE BOOK AND COMING AND SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS WHICH ARE ALWAYS VALUABLE ON "THE SEASON" THE NAME OF THE BOOK IS "THE SEASON" STEVE BOWMAN AND MARK STALLINGS IT'S A REALLY NICE PICTURE ESSAY ABOUT A SPECIAL YEAR AND EVERY YEAR IS SPECIAL SO FOR ALL DUCK HUNTERS I WISH YOU THE BEST OF SEASON TODAY THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY ON "ON THE SAME PAGE" ONE MORE TIME THE BOOK IS "THE SEASON FOR STEVE BOWMAN AND MARK STAL STALLING."

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